Suggestion: Vintage Shortstop at 279–372 keys

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~692.5 keys

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Vintage Shortstop

Well... why not? :D I'd also like to note that the only ones out there are indeed Pro. KS, but that doesn't add enough to the value for it to be affected.

Sale 1:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198139515201?time=1413529200

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21915677 - sold for clean Secret Stash (20 * 9 = ~18)

Sale 2:

http://imgur.com/T3fUlpt - sold for Harvest Wraith Wrap (27 * 0.9 = ~24.3)

Wrap:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198059858655?time=1408258800

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21985402 - sold for Scorching Samur-Eye (30 * 0.9 = ~27)

Only sale in a while for the wrap. Ughhhh minis.

Samur-Eye:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198072605490?time=1413097200

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23128915 - sold for Ghosts Mohawk (34 * 0.9 = 30.6)

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198060850032?time=1410246000

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22477615 - offered on and sold for Logo Connosieur's, PE Buckaroo, Scorching Pyromancer's and PE Trib

Most of these are outdated but we can add this all up to try support our value.

1.6 + 2 + 19.5 + 4 = 27.1. No overpay as it was offered on.

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198095053472?time=1409986800

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22457207 - sold for Vivid Noh Mercy (32.5 * 0.9 = ~29.2)

Wasn't outdated at time of sale.

29-31 seems okay with a little rounding. Using 30 as mid value.

Not too sure if this'll go through. Thoughts, everyone?

i hope this passes #lategum is a lowballer

Says the guy who offered 10 for both :P Although that was probably a joke.

imo the stash price is outdated

its not outdated, people just started raising the B/O everytime it sold. Now ones at like 55 on OP or something lol

poor lategum if this goes through lol

He's offering it on so many hats saying it's worth 75 buds...don't really feel much sympathy for him :P

Oh my god I'm actually getting secondhand embarrassment just hearing about it :(

Poor guy. Hope he gets his price though, would be the best flip on a non-unusual ever probably.

lmao and lategum trying to get 75 buds for his.

I know right? Mind you, he has the only ones that'll ever be sold again, so I really don't blame him :P

I like it how his friend erikson is trying to get it to 75 buds. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/546903bab98d8872468b4671

- Stash is outdated: The one who accepted the stash offer probably valued it as at least 50. As his b/o was 60, and cheapest stash you can get is somebody quickselling it for 40 buds.

- Wraith Wrap sell is 3 months old, as outdated as the bp.tf price of the stash.

Downvote

- At the time of the trade, the Stash's value was only 1 month old, making the 20 bud value technically usable.

- That's the only sale for the clean harvest wrap in a LONG time. Also, it went through on aug. 11, which isn't quite three months ;)

What to heck

he also let the most recent sale out, which was like 60, it's just not a real range. and again, his b/o was 60 buds, and if you do some research secret stashes were going for 50 already

There were 3 sales at ~20 (and an older sale at 20.) No way they were going for 50, and that 60 bud sale is an outlier.

so what saler are 20? the stash is not outdated price and the wrap is outdated sell. so if you got other sells at 20 tell them.

But I don't need to because the value for the stash is current...

This is really getting nowhere so, let me put it straight: The Stash is 20, it's valid, that's that.

The harvest wraith wrap sale is just under 3 months old, so it is still valid, and as it is the only sale in a while, it's the only sale that can be used.

Stash is definely not 20 anymore, and it wasn't at that time. If you want it or not. and 3 months is outdated..

Values are taken at what they were at the time of sale. The Stash wasn't 3 months out at the time of that sale.

neither was it still 20 buds

It was. It had been for a month.

seems like the buyer had a b/o of 55 when he bought it, which would also be the price the seller valued it at. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23003984

Oh come on, we all know Lategum values his stuff far too high. Also...

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22958924 - sold for a clean Harvest Executioner (~22 after overpay, outdated)

I don't see a problem with 20.

Lategum paid that exec for the stash. Which he and the other seller were selling for 50. Other seller rejected 40 in unusuals, so it wasnt 20... I dont really see anything near 20..

Hi, What's the difference between 20 and 24 if i'm not following backpack.tf in the first place 8)

Knew it wouldn't affect you :P For those that DO follow bp.tf though, seeing as this value is a bit off I thought it'd be adjusted. Maybe then you'll get a few more offers, when people see the new value and realise this exists?

Oh and gl with selling yours. I'd love to see them go for 75, that would be an epic flip.

"adjusted" it's completely wrong price range. However, how did yu make this price suggestion? Did somebody gave you items to price this?

Ah nvm, you can still make suggestions. But looking at your bp I see you don't have much experience with high tier unusuals..

22 bud voting power, praise gibus.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/544df834b88d88d07f8b4d6e

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/543992c5b98d8888368b4b3b (I had to get others to actually put up my proof for me due to bp value for these two)

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/544eab94b88d8852018b4690

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/544da9c4b98d885e188b4f19

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/544d65d9b88d88e61b8b4d15

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53620cce4cd7b8357e8b45c8

To say I don't have much experience with high tier unusuals... Well, depends on how you look at it. From a trading stance, hell yeah I don't. But I've been doing suggestions for mid to high tier stuff for a little bit, I have SOME idea as to what I'm doing. And I stand by my suggestion, I see nothing wrong with what I've done here.

If you're still unsure as to what I've done here, by all means, counter-suggest! Prove me wrong, please. I don't care about whether my suggestions go through, I care more about items having the correct value. And again, I don't see where I've gone wrong here, so I stand by what I've done.

You didn't do anything wrong, the price is just wrong.

hey it got sold for the price, you can check the suggestion.

Okay, give me a bit, I'll whip up a value for the sale, seeing as yours is too high, according to everyone.

everone is a hater, trust me. Anyway if you got some valid proof there won't be anything wrong with it.

BoA:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21878424 - sold for 60 pure

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22818314 - sold for Demonflame KE + duped Beams El Jefe + clean Max + 3 buds + BMOC + 6 keys

KE hasn't had any decent offers really: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23543814 However, Hellfire is ~42 (albeit outdated) so this sale could be ~75-80, we can't tell for sure though

Searing Noh:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21946731 - sold for Burning Tartan Spartan + PF Bicorne + Burning Elfin

Tartan was then sold for this: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22150357 which is ~24 buds, puts the total noh sale near 30?

Realistically, this is probably closer to 30 buds. Maybe 35 at max?

it rejected a scorching killer exclusive tho

This isn't a case of what it can or can't get, this is a case of what it did get. Besides, that scorching KE was most likely duped (and we all know duped scorching KE is like 60% the value of a clean one)

ah i didn't now if an unusual is duped it is worth half the price..

Anyway, please be realistic, and take a look at all the offers the past owners got.

When it comes to the Scorching KE, it's a bit of an outlier when it comes to duped unusuals (it has sold for 55 and ~80 in the past, it's kinda weird to value)

Anyway, I'm sure there were some rad offers, but sales are a lot more convincing than offers, anyone can tell you that.

Still offers are over 100 buds, so.. The sale is an outlier i guess. Just as you think my sale of the sortstop is?

If you believe your items are worth as much as you think they are, then yes, they're all outliers. These are literally sales I'm providing, you don't get much more concrete than that.

Okay, lets say it like this. An item doesn't get priced higher, if there are lower b/o's than the suggested price, even with sales.. Same with lowering tge price, it won't work if there are much higher offers, even if there are sales..

Buyouts and offers are very different things at times.

A buyout is indicative of what the owner of the item would take in pure, while an offer is what someone is willing to pay. Most offers are not in pure, and whilst an item seller would take their buyout in pure 99% of the time, 99% of offers are rejected because they're in unusuals or have something the seller doesn't want.

A lot of high offers are rejected because they have cancer unusuals or not enough pure or whatever. End of the day, sales are more indicative of offers because anyone can make an offer, but both parties have to agree on a sale.

Can I get some official word on this?

My main concern is the Samur-Eye mini. I think the range should be 27-31 in retrospect, it legitimately changes everything.

29 * 0.9 = 26.1 * 0.9 = 23.49.

Now, with my current mini value (without that 27 sale in the range):

30 * 0.9 = 27 * 0.9 = 24.3

This is legitimately a bud difference. My problem with the 27 sale is that there's outdated unusuals, but there's a margin of error of at least 0.3 (and another 0.3 down) so, should I re-suggest with an updated mini value at 27-31, thus making the Shortstop 18-23?

I'm aware there's another sale, I'm looking at it now. Will close suggestion if sale doesn't fit my range.

Or... maybe not? http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198066265426 no v. shortstops here, no evidence of a sale (possibly USD?)

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198122005972 - eriksson has them now, along with scorching + searing noh's and arcana view

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23600185 - look @ item histories. the fuck.

Okay I think this isn't a sale, just stuff being moved over. Conspiracy theory that lategum is eriksson but eh

New sale. Due to these sales being rather dated, gonna close this.