Suggestion: Vintage Big Kill at 140–210 keys

" I would accept a slight downgrade on this one, the comments by the seller about the difficulty of selling were the tipping point. " << he was talking about the clean one.

which is this one : http://backpack.tf/item/1416265329

and since there is clean ones i don't believe its fair to price em based on dupes.

Mind reading the whole thing again instead of just picking a small line off it and misinterpret it?

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51119d9eba25366d5a000003

Sir Jon, I lower the price because dupe version is now much more common than the clean one. Price should not reflect on rare/collector version but on the one that is more common. There is no point of keeping the price just for a clean one since what collector is stupid enough to use backpack.tf as the price of their rare item and who the hell really care about their backpack value as a collector. Let the clean ones come to the market when they are ready and let the owners of them to decide their price for their clean big kill.

He was clearly using dupes.

Also,

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/534e77034cd7b837118b4bd5

After talking to the mods, I don't think we necessarily have an issue with pricing based on the dupes. But you will need to price these based on sales. Using b/os alone is not enough.

looks decent. a pro big kill kit would be a minor add-on to one of these so it makes sense to include them here (8-23$ sales on scm recently). Is the price on the duped burning modest from the duped hats thread?

no lol, I came up with my own estimation at 18 buds based on the fact that a clean one goes for 19-20 buds. But it doesn't really matter because that sale will definitely not be lower than 10 buds and since there's a v.big kill b/o of 15 buds, even if that sale was supposingly higher, it will not be a problem as well :P

Woots, we have a proper sale for it now credits to Jester:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23470199 - sold for 17 buds pure

Which will make this sale http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21554205 worth 13 buds pure instead of 15 buds.

"Sold for 10 buds pure (took 11 days):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23379271"

I actually sold it for 10.5, but that shouldn't make much difference. I feel 11 days for pure on an item like this is fairly quick (especially during Halloween) but oh well. I think possibly 14-15 or just 15 flat would be better, but then again theres one on the SCM at around 11 now...

Regarding the Brainiac sale, even though I don't agree with the rejected suggestion being used as a mini, the person who had offered the big kill had retracted his offer after I added him, so there was further negotiation done as seen here:

http://imgur.com/FpcaGi4

This makes the ~14 inaccurate

I know, I am well aware of that. Which is why I wrote that the range will largely come from the pro ks sales. Regardless of whether the brainiac is worth more or not, it is impossible to ignore the b/o of 15 buds for the one that's currently in the market. That I'd shy I mentioned that the range will not be higher than 15.

*that's why.

autocorrect :/

??? Use logic please, clean one is getting offers over 15 buds lmfao

In case you forgot, a clean one exists http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/9373417

You don't have to be a Sherlock Holmes to point that one out, everyone is well aware of that and so are the mods. It's even stated in the previous closed suggestion by Hugh Jazz that a clean one existed and polar commented on that as well: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/534e77034cd7b837118b4bd5

Check before you comment.

Props on disliking my comment, I haven't seen a duped suggestion get accepted where there is knowledge of a clean one existing, and I think it should be kept that way.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51119d9eba25366d5a000003 - you've seen it now. It's also stated clearly in line 2 of this suggestion: "Dupes were used to price this previously".

I was hoping that comments like this wouldn't exist here because I thought ppl would actually read, but I guess I was wrong.

Probably because no clean ones were for sale, looks like tides have turned, don't think you're going anywhere with this especially when I offered that big kill straight up 20 buds when I was friends with him a long time ago and he declined.

also, that was 2 years ago

You can go ahead and ask what other offers he has.

don't need to, clean one obviously gets higher offers than 10 buds as shown from the link you provided

Idk if it's fair to the clean owners.

Anyway, I sold mine for 13pure within 8mins - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23904659

this piece of shit must go down!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23520111

Sold for 12 buds 7 keys pure on December 3rd

I believe that this is the same case as with Vintage Earbuds:

There is a clean one in the market –

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23990332

Looking at previous trades from the same user listing the item, it was getting offers well above the range suggested.

Let's look at past suggestions:

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/51119d9eba25366d5a000003 - This one was 2 years ago.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/534e77034cd7b837118b4bd5 - This one was 8 months ago.

Going onto the Vintage Earbuds:

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53490a3f4cd7b83a1c8b48ce - A similar vote for the same causes in duped Vintage Earbuds (Did not pass), 8 months ago.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/542cde2db88d88fd638b47d4 - Passed, used a single clean sale. (No objections regarding the cheaper albeit duped versions in the market)

As a backup to this argument, finance.tf prices Vintage Earbuds at 10.9 – 11.1

Community Market had one at $392.88 USD, coming off from what is shown when hovering over the item in backpack.tf

Yet, this is the price of the most common, duped version. Case is present as well in the Vintage Big Kills.

Current owner of the only clean Vintage Big Kill in the market is looking at a B/O of 50, and has rejected offers well above the new suggested price.

Not to mention that the lower range seems to be a mostly quicksell price (Considering many recent sales for pure have been higher than 10, and that recently a seller has rejected a “quicksale price”, in the words of the offerer, of 3 max heads, which is basically 10 buds)

The latest Vintage Earbuds suggestion passed with a single sale, because the pricelist is clearly stated to reflect on the clean version of items. Pricing the clean Vintage Big Kill with duped sales would harm the owners of the clean versions (one of which is in the market). Taking into account the latest Vintage Earbuds suggestion passed, being consistent with the pricing procedures of these rare Vintages seems to be the best course of action.

You do know very well the the last suggestion was based on duped sales with the knowledge that the clean one recently (during that time) in the market? How does it harm the owner of the clean versions when for the past 2 years, this has been based on dupes?

For the vintage earbud suggestion, it was already priced based on a clean sale all these years, so of course lowering it will affect the owners of the clean version. But now you're telling me that lowering the price of the vintage big kill that was based on duped sales since 2 years ago will harm the owner of the clean versions? If that was the case, they were already been affected since 2 years ago. So what is this current price reflecting? It was based on duped sales, and current dupes sales aren't even touching 21-25 buds, and it clearly doesn't reflect the clean ones either.

I'm not going to comment about my suggested price here unless I can get a confirmation from a mod to see if it's okay to continue with this.

What I was alluring to was that with these kinds of items, sticking to the same guideline is optimal. The last price for the Big Kill was accepted 2 years ago, the last price for the Vintage Earbuds was accepted 2 months ago. The market/backpack.tf have changed within that span of time, and so sticking with a set process for pricing them would be fair and logical.

As for harming the owners of clean Vintage Big Kills, within the span of those two years the prices of both the clean and duped versions of the item have been drifting apart radically, as initially they were not that far apart. Dupes were used to make a slight (small) change in price as the owner of the clean one called himself "lucky" to have sold for 30 buds. This last bit of information was what caused the price to be deemed reasonable, not the sales of duped versions. These were used to reinforce the new price, which was a slight change in pricing. At this very moment, the situation is different, as the owner of the clean version of the Vintage Big Kill has received offers well above the CURRENT price, while duped versions, which are more common, are receiving far lower offers.

Quoting the moderator that accepted the suggestion two years ago: "I would accept a slight downgrade on this one, the comments by the seller about the difficulty of selling were the tipping point." (Referring to the clean sale, not the duped ones. Note the "slight" and "difficulty of selling")

As for the old price being partially based on dupes, I believe that instead of sticking to an exception that was deemed reasonable two years ago, we should try to standardize and fix the pricing for these kinds of vintages in order to accurately represent the price of the clean versions, which is the goal of this website.

Just as a sidenote, another clean Vintage Big Kill has been listed in outpost. It is being sold by the original owner for apparently 30 buds pure. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24025595

With the existence of the second one in the market, I see no reason for this suggestion to go on. Thanks for informing.