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Let's do this.
Disclaimer:
I'm adding on more links while you're reading this.- I'm done adding.Note: Your opinion on rising/falling key prices implications and the TF2 economy don't matter, and nothing you write here will have an impact on the outcome of this suggestion unless you're providing valid counter-proof. If you want to voice out your opinion, do it in the forums: http://forums.backpack.tf/
SALES
10.77 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23762649
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23757901 - raised price to 11
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23753414
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23752320
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751769
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23750211
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23750142
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749957
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747641
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745553
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745074
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745150
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23733710
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23733708
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23732411
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23730078
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728870
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728530
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23727205
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23726824
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23723877
10.88 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23758959
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23759001
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23758545
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23758020
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756839
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754153
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23753139
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23752973
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23752928
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23752249
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751578
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751074
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751456
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749969
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749946
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749700
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749630
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748977
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748448
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748383
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748172
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748083
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747872
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747556
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747136
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746933
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746663
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745798
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745472
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23742996
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23743081
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23743531
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746432
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746570
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746555
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23734889
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23733712
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23732829
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23732651
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23731912
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23731269
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23730274
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729514
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728795
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728669
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728663
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728035
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728035
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23726851
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23727383
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23727143
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23725925
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23725512
11 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23758368
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23758409
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755190
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755316
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755510
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755525
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755548
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755626
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756011
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756082
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756272
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756348
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756393
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756458
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756494
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756794
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756831
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756914
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755095
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754813
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754807
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754730
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754567
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754590
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23753998
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23753944
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23753798
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23752634
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23752150
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751920
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23750803
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751579
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751365
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751253
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23750301
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23750288
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23750284
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749678
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749628
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749593
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749347
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749291
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748424
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748277
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748030
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747958
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747950
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747492
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747242
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747108 - sold 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746972
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746944 - raised price to 11.11. sold 1.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746677
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746279
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746141
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746134
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745891
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745903
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745840
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745484
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23744942
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23744883
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23744073
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23743833
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23743565
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23743464
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23742867
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23742886 - sold a few at 11, raised his price
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23735073
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23734332
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23734149
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23733773
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23733259
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23732341
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23732027
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23730540
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23730366
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729978
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729897
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729723
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729597
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729556
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729050
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728227
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728038
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23727264
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23726362
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23725588
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23724876
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23724257
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23723921
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23723787
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23723688
more than 11 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23732361 - 11.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23731896 - 11.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729161 - 11.11 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23724831 - 11.33 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23731508 - 12 ref
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23743790 - 12 ref
BUYERS
10.66 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23448366
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23727492
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23715547
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23613227
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23602617
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23738416
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22352175
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766893
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766312
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755711
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23731368
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23723805
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754027
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23737027
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23274057
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23764882
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23600421
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23765195
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23760877
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22576105
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23633174
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23236830
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23515162
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23733496
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756777
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23603782
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22650006
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766248
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23725797
10.77 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23701695
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23595523
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23688122
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23279263
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23741703
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23760517
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766927
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766368
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23736323
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23506355
10.88 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23580944
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23389432
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766739
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23669004
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23346898
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754190
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23097937
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22505819
11 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766262
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766648
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23658299
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23741761
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23512500
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23744288
10.66 ref is literally a quicksale by now, and even 11 ref is going really quick.
It took less than a minute for one of you people to show up, jeez.
This was overdue for a raise; like buds are overdue for a lower.
Grim, if you got time, can you do the buds?
mhm, I see clean buds going for 15 keys at 2 days now
probably 15-15.3 keys right now, but that's ugly.
there are pages of well bumped buyers at 15 keys. anybody that can't sell for 15 keys instantly isn't trying. But this is a key suggestion anyway.
So only 6 buyers at 11, and two of them are invalid trades;
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23741761 has no metal
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766262 hasn't been bumped since it was made yesterday
I find it hard to disclude 11 ref from the range even though there's a lack of buyers at that price. There are too many sales happening at 11 ref during the past two days.
Mods intentionally leave key suggestions up so more proof can be gathered, so I suppose we will see.
http://i.imgur.com/hzmhsPt.png
Been buying at 11 ref myself, when given the opportunity.
Clicked one link which was posted as sold at 11ref. Was actually sold at 10.77 to a keybot.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751579
Then theres another
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729978
Which didnt actually sell the keys but you've listed it as sold.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729897
aaaaand this one, which wasnt sold for refined either....
And that was a pick of 4 random links out of the bunch you provided
All you are doing is just listing a load of links, and not even checking them to see if they were sold or not.. hoping people without time will just say "Wahhh much proof upgoat".
Not going to bother checking the rest since its your job to check the links in your suggestion before posting it... but concidering 75% of those 4 random "sales at 11ref" proof links were wrong... Id suggest you go away and check it now while you still have time to edit the post
Yeah thanks for this. I'm not too sure how to check inventory history but a few of the high range ones at least are not valid.
Of course, doesn't change the fact that I have to buy at 11 ref pretty much routinely now. But still, needs to address problems with proof at high end.
No problem
Prove it that some of them are invalid.
Complete bullshit.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751579 - you have no proof that it actually went to the bot directly from the seller.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729978 - all 3 were SOLD. None of the keys in his backpack are the same. He even have a new trade putting in FOUR more new keys in which he sold 1 for 11 ref.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729897 - all were sold for refined as well, check his next trade.
I feel that YOU need to go away and check what you just posted instead of falsely accusing me of putting links for the sake of it.
Im just going to cover the first one... because I was heading to bed as I saw this reply...
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751579
key went to keybot, refined went to the user. looks like a direct sale to me.
YOU need to go away and check your links buddy. Save your bullshit calling for your own proof please and spend more than 30 minutes gathering up links from trade.tf before you make another suggestion.
So you're not going to address the other two links? Okay, as expected. Save your 'going to bed' excuses, if you have so much time to reply on the first link, i dont see how it will kill you to adress the other two at the same time.
Advice coming from a guy who's never done any suggestion.
Well damn, this seems to be pretty contentious. I'm not too good with checking individual links and I dont have the time to do all of them, so I guess I'll just be neutral :P.
On a side note.. How many strange shovels?!
Did a quick look in outpost today, there seems to be a rising number of buyers especially at 10.88 ref.
10.77 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23777819
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23785083
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23784935
10.88 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23776016
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23640489
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22455376
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23659240
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23761143
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23780611
11 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23324698
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22548250
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23779232
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23680293
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23741761 - currently out of stock
I believe that number of sales at 11 ref has also increase as well, will check it out shortly.
I spent a few minutes refreshing the search page for a new trade to come up and within that period, all these were sold instantly.
Sold at 11 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23792003
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23792446
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23792490
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23792582
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23792601
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23792798
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23792834 -
sold 1all gonehttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23793008
Those are just buyers, he already provided sales at 11 refined
You got a duped link in 10.88 sales http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728035
u didnt add mine! http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23681521
I hate seeing people say "wish people would stop bumping the key prices for their own greedy needs" amongst others.
This is an explanation of why the key prices are rising
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=340920832
You know what? I learned something today. Thank you.
Thanks for reading, of course there are some other factors that influence currency and the inflation, but I only focused on the biggest factor of influence.
That explanation is completely backwards. I agree that they're not rising out of greed, but saying it's down to the increased number of keys is completely nonsensical. That would make them LESS of a commodity, and thusly cheaper. There is clearly another, bigger factor at play.
Please read the guide in it's entirety. I explained all of my rational with math logic and economic concepts. Keys are not a commodity they have become considered a Currency. Commodity's are more influenced by supply and demand. I explain how currency is effected in my guide.
commodity or not, that is not how economy works. When a currency is more abundant, it lowers in value. This is why the Pound is the top currency, and the Vietnamese Dong is the bottom.
The two major reasons behind Key inflation are likely the supply of ref increasing, and the amount of new players entering the trading scene.
But you have to realize Keys are not the main currency of TF2. Metal is(explained in my article). And you need more Metal to purchase a key. Why should key prices go down if people are crafting more and more metal (as you stated in your other comment on my article)? The ref will lose value, like it is doing now.
If there was a 100% increase in the number of keys, so let’s say 500,000 keys to start @ $2.50 each @ 10 Ref with Ref @ $0.25. Now there are 1,000,000 keys still at $2.50 from Valve, but @20 Ref with Ref at $0.125 each. Keys are still the same price $2.50, but Ref has decreased in value.
Also if you look at the chart on backpack.tf for keys you never see the price decrease even though there are more keys in the game. Why? Because keys are backed up by valve. Just because Valve prints more and more keys doesn't mean that they will sell them for less. Even on the SCM the price of keys vollies between $2.50 and $2.35, but for different reasons.
I do agree with you that in an economy it would be different, but you have to realize that all of the economies are intertwined in one way or another , a "global economy" if you will. And in this "global economy" there are competing markets, United states Market, Chinese Market, European Market. In TF2 there are no competing markets. It is just the TF2 Market. Also Valve set the "Key Standard" @ $2.50 a pop, and will never change their price for it. TF2 Is an Isolated hybrid of a market and an economy.
Please re-read my guide I know what I'm talking about.
it is people like you who bring sense, integrity and knowledge to the tf2 economy, it is much like the real economy. Anyone study Germany after WW2? people took home days wages in wheelbarrows!
You have apperntly not studied Germany after WW2. It was between 1918-1939 you had the economial crysis you are referring to. You had the financial crysis 1929 for example.
After WW2 ended, the Allies decided not to repeat the history (since a bad economy was one of the reasons a dictator got his power) so they launched the Marshall plan. A plan that in essence was an economical growth package to stimulate the European countries to start building and grow again.
After WW2, USA became the dominate economy in the world because 1) European countries were in debt to them 2) USA exported their merchandises to Europe (since European industry was shattered).
That is why WW2 is such an important thing in our history. Europe was before WW2 the center of power, economy, basically everything and anything. Afterwards it had lost that position. A position that has still not been retaken and might not be for a long time.
I do not want to be the prick here, but know your history before you use it in a TF2 conversation.
The metal is no where close to be compared with the hard financial times in the western world during the 1920s,1930s.
Pretty well put. End of the day, these are all digital objects and the amount that can exist is theoretically infinite, but keys have a price and metal doesn't. Huh. Awesome.
Staying on topic, this is well needed, upvote.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23753423
I was buying at 10.66-10.88 and succeeding, but I was selling at 11 and was also successful.
My trade history for this:
SELL:
11 ref: http://gyazo.com/715341245908f182ab8d96d246746e88
11 ref: http://gyazo.com/5517b88e98d43af49133c29c953f6f58
10.88 ref: http://gyazo.com/96a1038f20fac9ce43140c4e53bcf76e
BUY:
10.88: http://gyazo.com/58f03a6ace50b3c0a7972183c0bd04f9
10.77: http://gyazo.com/769f96ced725662d3d5eb5f2ac7c0232
10.77: http://gyazo.com/f38bab776b5b03238893a9f033d83c50
I've sold 3 keys for 11 ref each
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23768495
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23767853
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23767492
Thanks for the additional proof.
For now i'm selling keys for 11.33 and buting for 10.66
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23780710
At this moment i bought 5 keys and 4 sold.
Hawly shiet, at'sa lot of solds. Upvoted.
Great proof, Upvoted.
Nice proof. Upvote.
Keep the posts relevant and productive to the suggestion.
That's some nice proof you got here. Upvote.
tl;dr. "I want keys to be lower" And No, It won't change the fact that refined metal are dropping in value.
I didn't say that in the hopes of getting the price lowered, I was stating that keys are in high demand and that refined is in low demand, the price changing higher too fast could provide negative affects, similarly if the price lowered too fast the same would happen but, in reverse.
If anything I voted that the price should be higher but at the same time the situation with normal craft hats needs to be slightly changed, if I were to buy 5 keys today and maybe in the future the buying power with the keys are significantly higher than beforehand, bills hats can now be bought with 5 keys and they used to be 12.
what would substitute for buds when the price heightens?
Take it to the forums.
what the heck is with the wall of text?
Eh, we've seen a fuckton of these people.
Bought some at 11.33 , up vote.
"The keys will be 10 'keys'
Wat
I said buds sir not keys.
Sir, you just edited your comment.
Don't ever try to lie... That would make your self humiliate... Rather than the person itself.
So you do like youtube!
I have no idea why you just said that I like youtube for no reason...
And again sir, you're changing the topic. That's more humiliated than lying..
Edit: Not gonna start another flame war, so I'm gonna stop commenting right now :)
I would suggest you stop starting a flame war here. keep the comments productive and relevant to the topic.
Oh god so many proof, you've done well my friend.
R.I.P Tf2 though :/
Proof for 11 refined is a bit weak
Neutral for now.
You might want to do 10.66 refined flat for a conservative rise
Well i've been buying for 10.44-10.77 ref per key since yesterday, i got like 25 keys and it wasn't hard at all to find sellers at that range ... there are sellers at 11 ref but they're not the majority
Prove, or picture it, or it never happened.
ok then ...
10.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23767398
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23767366
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23768423
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23768304
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23767804
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23767718
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766925
10.44
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23768298
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23767661
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23767629
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766553
10.55
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766881
10.66
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23767689
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23767678
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23767599
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23767068
i can also add trade history pictures, i found many trades through backpack.tf which won't show now because items are already sold ...
So here you have 16 links showing trades between 10.33 to 10.66 ref. I have shown 29 buyers at 10.66 ref, and 92 links showing sales at 11 ref. Base on the numbers, which one do you think is the majority and minority?
1- i've just look into a bunch for recent trades, i did the search into few minutes so don't expect that much links
2- the majority of trades is at 10.66-10.88 actually
All of those keys instasold without a bump.
Prices going up, even more, people started using the 11 ref as normal price, 10.88 as low, 11.22 as high
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23740251
Sold my Key for 10.77 ref in like 15 Seconds
Upvote!
yep keys to insta sell at 10.77, you get atleast 10 friend requests in 60 seconds. i dont think you need a brain to price the key at a minimum of 10.77.
http://i.imgur.com/ZMB20Qh.png - just bought 3 for 11 ref each, took 17 minutes to find some for this price.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23768740
Considering it already takes so long to get keys for 11 ref, 10.66 should most definitely not be in the range.
Its funny how you think that we actually profit from doing these suggestions.
Key prices never did change, they were stagnant at 1.80-1.90 USD via paypal, and 2.49 USD in the Mann Co. Store.
Do not forget that the only original way to obtain keys were to buy them from the Mann Co. Store. Keys were never obtainable through other means.
Refined metal are obtainable for free by collecting weapon drops and converting them. In 2012, there were much lesser metals in the game compared to in 2014, so its only natural for refined metal to lose its value, thus making it worth much lesser than it was which indirectly make traders sell their keys for more refined metal due to it losing its value throughout the years.
So before you go around complaining that we are bumping key 'prices' up for our own sake, we are not.
Good proof upboat
*Time to sit back and watch the dislikes come in*
Finding a key at 11 ref is lucky enough and then it not being sold already is even luckier. 11 ref is a quicksell. Upvote
Holy Wall of Proof, Batman. Well done.
The most proof I have ever seen in my life!
And they rise again. ^ vote good proof :)
I'll be completely honest: The current price is okay, 10 Ref for 1 Key is fine. I could see it fluctuating between 9 and 10 but 11 and 10 is a little too much, based on trades I've seen and popular opinion. I've seen 1 key items being put up for sale for 4 keys, doesn't mean it should be. ^.^
My heart is saying no, but your proof is saying yes. Damn
Upvote I guess.
Oh lord. I regret not buying keys. Yeah this needs a raise. I've been unsuccessfully buying any keys for the current price since its considered quicksell now. Upvote.
So you think I'll be richer when keys go up in price? This is literally the joke of the year, I don't know how you ppl can come up with such ridiculous theories.
Check my past Outpost trades. I NEVER trade keys for refined metals ever since I stopped doing low tier trades which is more than a year ago.
So in what way would this benefit me when I don't even trade keys for metals? Buy keys for 2 scraps cheaper, and then selling them for 2 scraps higher, only to raise the price of keys by 2 scraps and realize that I didn't actually make any profit because keys are 2 scraps more expensive now?
I could buy a big kill for 9 keys and sell it for 10 keys in a day, and still earn more than ppl who thinks that they can profit big from selling keys for refined metals.
To all you who's wondering what he wrote in his deleted comments, click here:
http://imgur.com/vTovUB3
With the constant creation of metal every week by hundreds of thousands of players, I doubt it'll ever stop. If it did stop rising, And ref kept becoming more abundant, then the market would become unbalanced.
Unless Valve stops allowing people crafting refined metal. But then again, I don't think they would.
10 ref would make it easier to price stuff, but we can't force an economy to our needs. That's not how it works.
If people pay for a higher price, then the item clearly needs a raise.
i know, just shoving my opinion out there! thought thats what a comment section was for :P
why on earth was i warned for my comment anyway :P XD
Totally agree with this. I'm not even sure the 11ref high end is high enough.
I, myself, just sold 3 keys for 11.33 each. [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/bzlro2yo4btu4yk/Screenshot%202014-11-19%2023.25.01.png?dl=0[/url]
Can someone finally accept this sugestion, peopels selling keys for 10.88 to 11 ref...
I think they are already going to sell it for more than 11 ref..
I'm selling them for 11.33 and i think i will change price to 11.66
Well, i hate that the price is rising, but oh well. upvote.
Sold 2 keys for 11 ref each. Upvote ;)
This i have to admit is the unfortunate reality of what happens when metal can come into the TF2 economy for free and keys have to be bought. Brilliant proof btw. upvote
Good to see someone who understands what is actually going on. Liked your comment.
10.88 - 11 makes slightly more sense based on the proof, I havent seen anything below 10.88 that isnt sold out, at least not a lot.
been buying for 11 ref from outpost only http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23483798 (have been changing prices)
http://puu.sh/cYqqG/e085200d57.png
http://puu.sh/cYqr7/e2274219f0.png 2
http://puu.sh/cYqrp/9d8762964a.png 3
http://puu.sh/cYqsd/3e6fbd8060.png 4
http://puu.sh/cYqt7/b6fc44a789.png 4
http://puu.sh/cYqtz/18fa750d75.png 3
http://puu.sh/cYqvq/6cebfbfcf9.png
http://puu.sh/cYqBk/9c15930338.png 8
http://puu.sh/cYqBY/72a0b2bf88.png
my buyings from my trade in 3 days, couldve had a few more but ran out of metal, 2 people constantly got new keys, so they mightve been able to get them for less and just resold them to me.
Thanks for the additional proof.
well i have been buying them for 10.55 on scrap.tf, so i dont think i have has the same experiance, so im neutral on this