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Disclaimer: I'm adding on more links while you're reading this. - I'm done adding.


Note: Your opinion on rising/falling key prices implications and the TF2 economy don't matter, and nothing you write here will have an impact on the outcome of this suggestion unless you're providing valid counter-proof. If you want to voice out your opinion, do it in the forums: http://forums.backpack.tf/


SALES


10.77 ref:


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23762649

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23757901 - raised price to 11

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23753414

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23752320

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751769

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23750211

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23750142

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749957

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747641

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745553

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745074

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745150

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23733710

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23733708

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23732411

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23730078

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728870

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728530

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23727205

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23726824

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23723877


10.88 ref:


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23758959

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23759001

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23758545

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23758020

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756839

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754153

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23753139

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23752973

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23752928

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23752249

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751578

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751074

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751456

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749969

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749946

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749700

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749630

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748977

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748448

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748383

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748172

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748083

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747872

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747556

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747136

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746933

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746663

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745798

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745472

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23742996

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23743081

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23743531

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746432

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746570

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746555

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23734889

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23733712

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23732829

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23732651

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23731912

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23731269

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23730274

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729514

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728795

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728669

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728663

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728035

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728035

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23726851

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23727383

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23727143

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23725925

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23725512


11 ref:


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23758368

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23758409

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755190

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755316

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755510

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755525

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755548

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755626

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756011

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756082

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756272

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756348

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756393

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756458

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756494

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756794

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756831

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756914

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755095

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754813

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754807

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754730

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754567

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754590

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23753998

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23753944

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23753798

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23752634

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23752150

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751920

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23750803

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751579

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751365

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23751253

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23750301

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23750288

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23750284

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749678

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749628

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749593

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749347

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23749291

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748424

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748277

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23748030

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747958

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747950

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747492

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747242

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23747108 - sold 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746972

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746944 - raised price to 11.11. sold 1.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746677

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746279

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746141

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23746134

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745891

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745903

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745840

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23745484

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23744942

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23744883

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23744073

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23743833

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23743565

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23743464

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23742867

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23742886 - sold a few at 11, raised his price

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23735073

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23734332

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23734149

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23733773

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23733259

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23732341

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23732027

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23730540

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23730366

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729978

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729897

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729723

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729597

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729556

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729050

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728227

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728038

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23727264

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23726362

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23725588

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23724876

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23724257

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23723921

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23723787

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23723688


more than 11 ref:


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23732361 - 11.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23731896 - 11.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23729161 - 11.11 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23724831 - 11.33 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23731508 - 12 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23743790 - 12 ref


BUYERS


10.66 ref:


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23448366

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23727492

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23715547

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23613227

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23602617

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23738416

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22352175

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766893

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766312

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23755711

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23731368

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23723805

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754027

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23737027

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23274057

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23764882

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23600421

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23765195

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23760877

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22576105

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23633174

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23236830

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23515162

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23733496

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23756777

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23603782

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22650006

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766248

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23725797


10.77 ref:


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23701695

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23595523

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23688122

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23279263

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23741703

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23760517

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766927

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766368

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23736323

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23506355


10.88 ref:


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23580944

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23389432

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766739

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23669004

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23346898

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23754190

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23097937

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22505819


11 ref:


http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766262

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766648

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23658299

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23741761

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23512500

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23744288


10.66 ref is literally a quicksale by now, and even 11 ref is going really quick.

      It took less than a minute for one of you people to show up, jeez.

      This was overdue for a raise; like buds are overdue for a lower.


      Grim, if you got time, can you do the buds?

          mhm, I see clean buds going for 15 keys at 2 days now

            probably 15-15.3 keys right now, but that's ugly.

                there are pages of well bumped buyers at 15 keys. anybody that can't sell for 15 keys instantly isn't trying. But this is a key suggestion anyway.

            So only 6 buyers at 11, and two of them are invalid trades;


            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23741761 has no metal

            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23766262 hasn't been bumped since it was made yesterday

            You got a duped link in 10.88 sales http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23728035

                I hate seeing people say "wish people would stop bumping the key prices for their own greedy needs" amongst others.


                This is an explanation of why the key prices are rising

                http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=340920832

                  You know what? I learned something today. Thank you.

                    Thanks for reading, of course there are some other factors that influence currency and the inflation, but I only focused on the biggest factor of influence.

                    That explanation is completely backwards. I agree that they're not rising out of greed, but saying it's down to the increased number of keys is completely nonsensical. That would make them LESS of a commodity, and thusly cheaper. There is clearly another, bigger factor at play.

                      Please read the guide in it's entirety. I explained all of my rational with math logic and economic concepts. Keys are not a commodity they have become considered a Currency. Commodity's are more influenced by supply and demand. I explain how currency is effected in my guide.

                        commodity or not, that is not how economy works. When a currency is more abundant, it lowers in value. This is why the Pound is the top currency, and the Vietnamese Dong is the bottom.


                        The two major reasons behind Key inflation are likely the supply of ref increasing, and the amount of new players entering the trading scene.

                          But you have to realize Keys are not the main currency of TF2. Metal is(explained in my article). And you need more Metal to purchase a key. Why should key prices go down if people are crafting more and more metal (as you stated in your other comment on my article)? The ref will lose value, like it is doing now.


                          If there was a 100% increase in the number of keys, so let’s say 500,000 keys to start @ $2.50 each @ 10 Ref with Ref @ $0.25. Now there are 1,000,000 keys still at $2.50 from Valve, but @20 Ref with Ref at $0.125 each. Keys are still the same price $2.50, but Ref has decreased in value.


                          Also if you look at the chart on backpack.tf for keys you never see the price decrease even though there are more keys in the game. Why? Because keys are backed up by valve. Just because Valve prints more and more keys doesn't mean that they will sell them for less. Even on the SCM the price of keys vollies between $2.50 and $2.35, but for different reasons.


                          I do agree with you that in an economy it would be different, but you have to realize that all of the economies are intertwined in one way or another , a "global economy" if you will. And in this "global economy" there are competing markets, United states Market, Chinese Market, European Market. In TF2 there are no competing markets. It is just the TF2 Market. Also Valve set the "Key Standard" @ $2.50 a pop, and will never change their price for it. TF2 Is an Isolated hybrid of a market and an economy.


                          Please re-read my guide I know what I'm talking about.

                            it is people like you who bring sense, integrity and knowledge to the tf2 economy, it is much like the real economy. Anyone study Germany after WW2? people took home days wages in wheelbarrows!

                              You have apperntly not studied Germany after WW2. It was between 1918-1939 you had the economial crysis you are referring to. You had the financial crysis 1929 for example.

                              After WW2 ended, the Allies decided not to repeat the history (since a bad economy was one of the reasons a dictator got his power) so they launched the Marshall plan. A plan that in essence was an economical growth package to stimulate the European countries to start building and grow again.

                              After WW2, USA became the dominate economy in the world because 1) European countries were in debt to them 2) USA exported their merchandises to Europe (since European industry was shattered).


                              That is why WW2 is such an important thing in our history. Europe was before WW2 the center of power, economy, basically everything and anything. Afterwards it had lost that position. A position that has still not been retaken and might not be for a long time.


                              I do not want to be the prick here, but know your history before you use it in a TF2 conversation.

                              The metal is no where close to be compared with the hard financial times in the western world during the 1920s,1930s.

                      Pretty well put. End of the day, these are all digital objects and the amount that can exist is theoretically infinite, but keys have a price and metal doesn't. Huh. Awesome.


                      Staying on topic, this is well needed, upvote.

                        Hawly shiet, at'sa lot of solds. Upvoted.

                          Great proof, Upvoted.

                          Nice proof. Upvote.

                              Keep the posts relevant and productive to the suggestion.

                              That's some nice proof you got here. Upvote.

                                  tl;dr. "I want keys to be lower" And No, It won't change the fact that refined metal are dropping in value.

                                    I didn't say that in the hopes of getting the price lowered, I was stating that keys are in high demand and that refined is in low demand, the price changing higher too fast could provide negative affects, similarly if the price lowered too fast the same would happen but, in reverse.


                                    If anything I voted that the price should be higher but at the same time the situation with normal craft hats needs to be slightly changed, if I were to buy 5 keys today and maybe in the future the buying power with the keys are significantly higher than beforehand, bills hats can now be bought with 5 keys and they used to be 12.


                                    what would substitute for buds when the price heightens?

                                      what the heck is with the wall of text?

                                    Bought some at 11.33 , up vote.

                                        "The keys will be 10 'keys'


                                        Wat

                                          I said buds sir not keys.

                                            Sir, you just edited your comment.


                                            Don't ever try to lie... That would make your self humiliate... Rather than the person itself.

                                              So you do like youtube!

                                                I have no idea why you just said that I like youtube for no reason...


                                                And again sir, you're changing the topic. That's more humiliated than lying..


                                                Edit: Not gonna start another flame war, so I'm gonna stop commenting right now :)

                                            I would suggest you stop starting a flame war here. keep the comments productive and relevant to the topic.

                                          Oh god so many proof, you've done well my friend.

                                          R.I.P Tf2 though :/

                                            Proof for 11 refined is a bit weak

                                            Neutral for now.

                                            You might want to do 10.66 refined flat for a conservative rise

                                              Well i've been buying for 10.44-10.77 ref per key since yesterday, i got like 25 keys and it wasn't hard at all to find sellers at that range ... there are sellers at 11 ref but they're not the majority

                                              http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23740251

                                              Sold my Key for 10.77 ref in like 15 Seconds

                                              Upvote!

                                                yep keys to insta sell at 10.77, you get atleast 10 friend requests in 60 seconds. i dont think you need a brain to price the key at a minimum of 10.77.

                                                http://i.imgur.com/ZMB20Qh.png - just bought 3 for 11 ref each, took 17 minutes to find some for this price.


                                                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23768740


                                                Considering it already takes so long to get keys for 11 ref, 10.66 should most definitely not be in the range.

                                                    Its funny how you think that we actually profit from doing these suggestions.


                                                    Key prices never did change, they were stagnant at 1.80-1.90 USD via paypal, and 2.49 USD in the Mann Co. Store.


                                                    Do not forget that the only original way to obtain keys were to buy them from the Mann Co. Store. Keys were never obtainable through other means.


                                                    Refined metal are obtainable for free by collecting weapon drops and converting them. In 2012, there were much lesser metals in the game compared to in 2014, so its only natural for refined metal to lose its value, thus making it worth much lesser than it was which indirectly make traders sell their keys for more refined metal due to it losing its value throughout the years.


                                                    So before you go around complaining that we are bumping key 'prices' up for our own sake, we are not.

                                                      Good proof upboat

                                                      *Time to sit back and watch the dislikes come in*

                                                    Finding a key at 11 ref is lucky enough and then it not being sold already is even luckier. 11 ref is a quicksell. Upvote

                                                      Holy Wall of Proof, Batman. Well done.

                                                        The most proof I have ever seen in my life!

                                                        And they rise again. ^ vote good proof :)

                                                          I'll be completely honest: The current price is okay, 10 Ref for 1 Key is fine. I could see it fluctuating between 9 and 10 but 11 and 10 is a little too much, based on trades I've seen and popular opinion. I've seen 1 key items being put up for sale for 4 keys, doesn't mean it should be. ^.^

                                                            My heart is saying no, but your proof is saying yes. Damn

                                                            Upvote I guess.

                                                              Oh lord. I regret not buying keys. Yeah this needs a raise. I've been unsuccessfully buying any keys for the current price since its considered quicksell now. Upvote.

                                                                    So you think I'll be richer when keys go up in price? This is literally the joke of the year, I don't know how you ppl can come up with such ridiculous theories.


                                                                    Check my past Outpost trades. I NEVER trade keys for refined metals ever since I stopped doing low tier trades which is more than a year ago.


                                                                    So in what way would this benefit me when I don't even trade keys for metals? Buy keys for 2 scraps cheaper, and then selling them for 2 scraps higher, only to raise the price of keys by 2 scraps and realize that I didn't actually make any profit because keys are 2 scraps more expensive now?


                                                                    I could buy a big kill for 9 keys and sell it for 10 keys in a day, and still earn more than ppl who thinks that they can profit big from selling keys for refined metals.

                                                                          To all you who's wondering what he wrote in his deleted comments, click here:


                                                                          http://imgur.com/vTovUB3

                                                                          With the constant creation of metal every week by hundreds of thousands of players, I doubt it'll ever stop. If it did stop rising, And ref kept becoming more abundant, then the market would become unbalanced.

                                                                            Unless Valve stops allowing people crafting refined metal. But then again, I don't think they would.

                                                                            10 ref would make it easier to price stuff, but we can't force an economy to our needs. That's not how it works.


                                                                            If people pay for a higher price, then the item clearly needs a raise.

                                                                              i know, just shoving my opinion out there! thought thats what a comment section was for :P

                                                                                why on earth was i warned for my comment anyway :P XD

                                                                            Totally agree with this. I'm not even sure the 11ref high end is high enough.

                                                                            I, myself, just sold 3 keys for 11.33 each. [url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/bzlro2yo4btu4yk/Screenshot%202014-11-19%2023.25.01.png?dl=0[/url]

                                                                                  Can someone finally accept this sugestion, peopels selling keys for 10.88 to 11 ref...

                                                                                    I think they are already going to sell it for more than 11 ref..

                                                                                      I'm selling them for 11.33 and i think i will change price to 11.66

                                                                                    Well, i hate that the price is rising, but oh well. upvote.

                                                                                      Sold 2 keys for 11 ref each. Upvote ;)

                                                                                        This i have to admit is the unfortunate reality of what happens when metal can come into the TF2 economy for free and keys have to be bought. Brilliant proof btw. upvote

                                                                                          Good to see someone who understands what is actually going on. Liked your comment.

                                                                                              10.88 - 11 makes slightly more sense based on the proof, I havent seen anything below 10.88 that isnt sold out, at least not a lot.

                                                                                                been buying for 11 ref from outpost only http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23483798 (have been changing prices)

                                                                                                http://puu.sh/cYqqG/e085200d57.png

                                                                                                http://puu.sh/cYqr7/e2274219f0.png 2

                                                                                                http://puu.sh/cYqrp/9d8762964a.png 3

                                                                                                http://puu.sh/cYqsd/3e6fbd8060.png 4

                                                                                                http://puu.sh/cYqt7/b6fc44a789.png 4

                                                                                                http://puu.sh/cYqtz/18fa750d75.png 3

                                                                                                http://puu.sh/cYqvq/6cebfbfcf9.png

                                                                                                http://puu.sh/cYqBk/9c15930338.png 8

                                                                                                http://puu.sh/cYqBY/72a0b2bf88.png

                                                                                                my buyings from my trade in 3 days, couldve had a few more but ran out of metal, 2 people constantly got new keys, so they mightve been able to get them for less and just resold them to me.

                                                                                                  Thanks for the additional proof.

                                                                                                              well i have been buying them for 10.55 on scrap.tf, so i dont think i have has the same experiance, so im neutral on this