Suggestion: Vintage Max's Severed Head at 238 keys

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~1187.5 keys

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This suggestion was closed Sun, 07 Dec 14 06:48:35 +0000 by polar.

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Hey guys!

Solds (<10 exists):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23567765

Sold for Scorching Bone Dome + 3 buds + sweets (minor)

0.9*15.5 = 13.95 + 3 = 16.95 -> 17

Sellers (No buyout <20):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22476790

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23717246

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23742991

Classifieds (1@20):

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/?item=Max%27s%20Severed%20Head&quality=3&tradable=1&craftable=1

I'm fairly certain you're going to need more than one sold for this. Can't just raise your backpack's value 5 buds that easily. :P

There's only been one provable/quantifiable sale recently afaik, and less than 10 exists total.

I'm afraid that's not the only sale according to the histories of the other ones (the one on classifieds has 16 different owners since the beginning of November -> 16 times duped? I don't think so)

Dig more and do not cherrypicking your proof. (and stop disliking everyone's comments)

Edit : For example take a look at this http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/76561197982981844 (sale ~15.5 with overpay but you'll have to make minis)

Or this one http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23492015 sold for http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3140528577,48,5 14*0.9 = 12.6

I specifically meant a quantifiable sale; however if you can find what he got for that max then I'm open to change :D

Please don't accuse me of disliking when you have no proof. I generally only like good comments and ignore bad ones.

Edit: History shows no proof of the trade (The second one specifically, but even for the first)... there is a big possibility that one party may have added.

1# sale : check the histories -> G. Fetti Bonk Boy + P. Fetti Whoopee + Heart Hallmark +lvl 42 Max

2# sale : Burning Mining light

I can find more, but that's your job. I'm only there for counter-proof

What's to say that one party didn't add pure? You're assuming that the trade was 1:1 (Burning Mining Light); as we know, most trades aren't.

What's to say that it wasn't 1 of 1?

We can check the other item history's and see if they added anything or not.

Burden of proof is on the accuser. If you claim that the trade was 1:1, then it is up to you to provide proof. Like I said, these trades are unquantifiable.

You can't deny that there have been more than 1 sale in the past 3 months, therefore you need to look in to them.

Your sale could be an outlier.

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198045493149?time=1414825200 -> http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198045493149?time=1414911600

Just sort the items by value : well it wasn't 1 : 1 but Burning Mining + 1 bud -> 14*0.9 + 1 = 13.6 buds

Nuff said, stop trying to defend your suggestion, now dig in the proof

his b/o was 16 I don´t think it can´t be more than 16 then

Solds > Buyouts, and there's only been one sale recently afaik

You would think that but it's a rule of bp.tf that the price cannot be higher than the BO. I don't like it either.

Okay, sorry about that. Should I resubmit @ 16 then? It feels weird...

Just wondering where is this rule stated? I'm trying to find it in http://backpack.tf/help/suggestions but I can't find it.

It's not there, but yeah it's a rule, you can't price higher than b/os

am downvoting based on you valuing the sale above the trade's b/o

There are no clean ones in existence, and the last two suggestions were based on dupes.

There is a clean one on the market lol

dammit pyroman, why have you forsaken me

Afaik it'll never be sold, it rejected 60. So until it's sold, it would be customary for bp.tf to price the v max on just the dupes.

wut is this m8 http://backpack.tf/item/280709382

i've been buttfucked about it already please leave me to wallow in despair

yea, what's the deal with that. Aren't all vintage max's in existence dupes? Does that mean they can just never be repriced?

no.

no what...?

nvm that were buds

No not all of them , http://backpack.tf/item/280709382

yea, Eldric just showed me that.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23285408 This one may be clean actually.

Interesting...

Yeah and it seems to be getting offers way higher than 20 buds, I see a cash offer of 1100.

There's a collecting offer of 55, ik collecting offers aren't seen as too big of a deal, but damn....

There is a clean one on the market lol

He can when he is raising the price.

And previous suggestions have been based on dupes.

B/O of 16 buds on your sale.

Rules state the value of the hat cannot exceed B/O. B/O was 16 so can only value at 16 tops anyways, you should read the rules. Either way a clean one is on the market and getting offers way higher than this so this suggestion is invalid based off that.

Afaik it'll never be sold, it rejected 60. So until it's sold, it would be customary for bp.tf to price the v max on just the dupes.

Suggestions are based off cleans generally, previous suggestions were based off dupes since only dupes existed. Since a clean has entered market and getting offers way higher than 20, even if you re-suggest at 16 it'll be invalid until the clean one sells since it's offers are clearly higher.

I actually think it will be better to just make a price for the duped ones, as this is a very special item and when it leaves the market it will most likely never come back again (atleast not for a long time).

And since only 1 of them are clean making a price for the duped ones seems much more logical, regardless of all other backpack.tf rules.

I don't want to say that this proof is invalid as it has been the only sale in recent time, however OP himself has a sale set with a B/O of 16 buds. Last I checked, rules say your suggestion price cannot be higher than your B/O, so I'd have to downvote this particular selection.

Wouldn't look nearly as fishy if OP didn't have a duped Vintage Max for sale, but OP does. Sorry m8, can't knowingly vote that one onward based on a single mixed sale while you have the B/O below your recommendation.

This is all besides the point anyways, as the current clean Vintage Max that's on the market just rejected a 60 offer. As soon as that thing sells, this price suggestion will be moot anyways.

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/

It doesn't list it in the suggestions panel, but on the forums it recommends that you don't create an active price suggestion with a value higher than average Buyout prices. I'm not saying that you CAN'T do it, I'm just saying that it doesn't help your case if you have an active buyout lower than your current suggestion. =/

Sounds good sorry about that. They really should make the guide more publicized/accessible, as this is a pretty crucial rule.

Right now it's hidden through 4 links...

No worries man. I too am still relatively new to all of this, so I am learning as well. =D

No sale should be valued higher than a hat’s buyout in pure. If a person in the comments of a trade states a willingness to sell for "x" pure, the trade should not be valued above "x."

- polar

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/

b/o > sales, if he only wanted 16, then he would have accepted 16. 17 doesn't make sense if the buyer just overpayed.

1st

b/os =/= sales

2nd

you should try to find more proof. I know only less than 10 exist, but you should be able to find more than 1 sale in the last 3 months

Yes i did sell it for a Scorching Bone Dome + 1 bud + 25 Keys + 20 ref + 2 Craft Hats

But i did buy it for 12 Pure + BMOC + N&B Cowl ~ 13

http://puu.sh/cWOMx/536a92366a.png

http://puu.sh/cWOMX/b67e09f5b5.png

DOWNVOTE DOWNVOTE DOWNVOTE

I have bought 3 of them at 11

and also you are posting fake shit info like "and less than 10 exists total. "

and i dont like you either

Useless spam, and you downvoted every single one of my comments... reported.

this suggestion is not going thru anyway, cuz you are breaking rules of this site, gl with that kiddo

plus stop saying there are only 10 of them lol, that's just a lie, and also, I reported you too for spam and breaking rules

please prove you've "bought 3 of them at 11"

"and i dont like you either" <- spam, irrelevant, etc.

i dont like price manipulation by some weird kiddos so here you go (and you can ask both of them if they are real humans, not my alts)

http://i.imgur.com/HRInnUB.png

http://i.imgur.com/RHks654.png (dem sentries is a jag with pro ks TS/Tornado, with dmg dealt and sappers removed parts, worth few keys)

sorry, I cant find the 3rd one that I bought for ~11 pure (I added "~" sign because earbuds were worth more keys when I was buying them and I paid in keys instead of buds, but price remains the same)

For a person with 4 vintage max's, you're incredibly aggressive about wanting to lower the price... something seems extremely fishy.

And judging from your steam page (littered with paypal trades) it may have been likely that you added on $$ on top of this.

Maybe you're trying to collect them all? Either way, your comments reek of price manipulation.

you bought one and you are rising the price, i dont really care what bp tf says about the price of my items but i do not approve price manipulators like you (that's why I downvoted thsi suggestion AND ALSO, THEY ARE NOT 17 BUDS, they only rised in price a bit cuz buds went down and maxes are pretty stable), and yeah, keep thinking what I paid for it actually, 12,7 buds for 1st one, and then ~11 pure on each, but yeah, keep lying kiddo

+you are actually stup** if you cant see that your price suggestion is made to rise the price, not to lower, u mad kid and cant even read correctly?

technically you have a point as he paid less for his, he bought his for a secret tyrolean.

however, no need to act like a 5 year old

you bought yours for a secret tyrolean

Yup! But I added paypal $$ on top of that, that's why I didn't want to include it. Take a look at the outpost trade to see.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23598019 - had a b/o of 14 buds anyways therefore the sale can't be valued more than that

He changes his buyouts all the time, this is why the buyout rule is extremely stupid. For example, this one has no buyout. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23592104

The thing is, most people value unusuals a lot less than bp.tf values them, especially when it comes to promos or "pseudo-promos" like the vintage max. As per example people usually have to multiple unusual value by 0.7 when it comes to buying houwars, and if your unusual is 3rd gen, good luck getting half value for it. It's a problem that needs to be addressed (especially right now); the price of buds are tanking and in an economy where everybody is trying to convert their buds to keys, extremely few people are looking for non-quicksell unusuals.

doesn't matter, it means he was willing to do it for 14 buds therefore it shouldn't be valued more than that

Look, I get it's the rules and all that, but just a quick look on outpost will tell you that people who are looking for 14 in pure are probably looking for 20 in mixed or 20-25 in unusuals. People are not valuing unusuals at 0.9 anymore, it's more realistically 0.8 or 0.7. That's why if you look in the trade above, people have voiced concerns about the "buyout rule." It's stupid, it isn't even in the official rules (it's a forum post augment) and it's hard to access on top of that.

Moreover, only 9 of these exist. If people are willing to make other exceptions (such as the prices only being based on the dupes) then I think that another exception can be made about this. It's technically a promo, and as stated above people overpay by a lot when it comes to promos.

backpack.tf bases prices on pure values not unusual values which is why pure b/o's should be taken into consideration