Suggestion: Poisoned Shadows Firewall Helmet at 98 keys

*Professional Killstreak Australium Ambassador+Professional Killstreak Australium Stickybomb Launcher+10 keys (7-7.5 buds total) http://i.imgur.com/hXJwPdT.png

*Aces High Firewall Helmet+4 keys (1.2 buds, outlier, irrelevant) http://imgur.com/AW2bjg5

*Dead Presidents KE "when it was 8 buds" (8 buds) http://imgur.com/XAjuqzW

I spent all day making this suggestion, so I would appreciate it if you didn't encourage bad vibes just because your gut feeling says it not worth this amount.

You need to apply overpay on dead president ke. Bp.tf uses current prices, not past prices to make new prices.

Also your proof relies on b/o's of owners.

Sorry, I am getting lost in those first 2 sentences. Mind rephrasing them for me?

1.Your suggestion is based on Buyouts of the hats.

*Your links just show what price the owner wants.

2.You need to apply overpay. And you CANT use OLD prices (bp.tf rule i think)

for example

Your sale of the dead president ke

would be

5.6*0.9=5~

Ah, I understand the confusion now. The rule is for use of outdated backpack.tf prices. It doesn't cover what the price of the hat was when the sale was made.

I still don't understand what you mean by the first sentence. Also "The most common way of gathering evidence is to link to trade posts that other users have made that back up your new price suggestion" The b/o's are so plentiful anyway that it wouldn't really be possible for them to not be at least mostly correct in price ranging. I do have 1 confirmed and 1 disputed sale within the price range, too.

Well if you have 2 confirmed sales of your suggest range, it should be fine.

However what i am saying is.

You are using the buyouts of people's trade.

For example: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22409239

He wants 8 buds

but he did not sell it for 8buds, thus the evidence is invalid

basically you can't use b/o's as evidence. *only small exceptions apply if the hat is like very rare and never on market.

please don't put in useless stuff like http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16194498 and outdated links

a lot of your links are to outdated trades, these are all outdated (including the link above ^)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22488015

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22409239

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17128634

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17110454

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17082550

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17003767

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16939939

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16500459

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16327974

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16194498

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17233248

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17204507

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15680987

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15503104

"Professional Killstreak Australium Ambassador+Professional Killstreak Australium Stickybomb Launcher+10 keys (7-7.5 buds total) http://i.imgur.com/hXJwPdT.png"

you're assuming values for pro-killstreaked items without any proof of added value

your suggestion is effectively proofless, you haven't proved a flat price of 7 buds

I'm not going to get into another inevitably pointless argument with you, on the subject of matters that I have already explained, on yet another one of my price suggestions. Your "feedback" is arbitrary and demeaning, and disproves nothing. I have already been over the fact that the prices of the professional killstreak items can be accessed through a simple Google search, and yet you pointed out that I didn't include a link to the Google search here and in another comment down below. Your cherry picking of data has reached a point where it is no longer helpful, and simply trivial.

I'm not cherry picking data wise man, I copied almost all your links, pointing out all that is outdated. also any search link does not constitute proof

Look, when it comes down to it you aren't giving construction criticism, you are just pointing out supposed errors that have no negative impact on the price suggestion itself. Yes, I did include all b/o's, even old ones, but I also included everything else. I like to put as much information as could be helpful in my price suggestions to reinforce the price. If I hadn't included them, there would be two 6's a 7 and a 12 in the recent ones, but that information doesn't exactly back up the price.

no negative impact? most of your "proof" is invalid because it's outdated or no mini suggested for

outdated stuff doesn't back up the price

if it makes you feel better, usually I just leave this link http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/ and move on, here I tried to point out exactly what's wrong

just realized I had commented on both of your previous suggestions, and you still haven't read the guide have you :/

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/

"•Sales older than 2 months old are not valid proof" <- effectively the FIRST line in the cheat sheet...

If someone pays anything more than 2 buds for this they are either..

A. Retarded

B. Choice C

C. Choice A

I suppose almost anyone who has owned this hat is retarded then

A little

keep the spam and foolishness to yourself

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/23840-unusual-trade-question/

Thats not nice :C

where do you get your prices for the professional killstreaks from?

Rough average of sales and listings on tf2outpost and from the average from steamcompanion. The range of them is anywhere from 7-7.5 buds.

proof of that?

You can just search it on outpost or google it and it should come up

you're meant to find the proof not us

The only other thing I could do is to take a screencap of the google search. I'm not asking you to find proof, I'm just asking you to view proof that already exists.

ok please provide that proof where you get your prices from

please prove something instead of making claims...

Nope. The fact that one is selling for 6 and hasn't sold is proof enough for me. No chance it's 7 buds. A 4 sale, and multiple asking for 6 and having hard time getting that in pure.

I can't exactly explain the 4 listing, but as for the 6 listing, he put it up again from 8 buds 2 days ago and has barely bumped it since then. His trade before it was asking 8 but it got closed for inactivity because he went inactive. In the past 2 days his offer of a 1:1 with a Stare From Beyond Pardner's Pompadour got accepted but the trade has yet to go through

regardless. A hat with many users who are trying to sell or have sold at sub-7 would strongly prove this hat is less than 7.

Scorching owners tend to ask around 6. Why would a lower effect which is more commonly offered on the market, sell for more? Answer is it wouldn't. It just wouldn't.

that logic is somewhat flawed, on the l'inspecteur for example, arcana is nearly twice the price of burning. You could argue burning is higher.

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/23846-selling-12-in-world-11-on-market-p-shadow-firewall/

Wants 5 buds

The same guy is asking 6 and 7 on outpost and I think he may have meant that he was taking offers over 5 buds.

If this can't sell in 2 weeks at 6 buds, probably shouldn't be priced at 7 flat. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23784297