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The last price was suggested wrong on a lack of knowledge. Here is my suggestion which I really really appreciate you to take time to read it.

I cannot withdraw the sale which happened between Bobsplosion and Tea Rex, so you can simply take this as the first sale: http://imgur.com/k9kCy82

It is just a simple example how unboxers are overwhelemd by a cash offer of a collector. This always ruins market prices but nevertheless the rules of bp.tf state out there are 2 sales needed to agree upon a price. (no accusation against bobsplosion for sharking!!!; just my own opinion)

==> Counts as a regular normal sale, everything being fine it is included into my calculation as the 1st sale; seems like it didn't say that clearly before.


So here is how the 2nd sale really went:

Before we come to the Bonzo TC I need to inform you about a previous trade with Wayne http://steamcommunity.com/id/TrainWithWayne/


Here is a list of my Pickelhaube collection (trade on Oupost: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22837670#latest)

Pickelhaubes sold to Wayne, price in buds:


It's a secret to everybody 15

Harvest Moon 12

Cloudy Moon 10

Knifestorm 8

Burning Flames 8

Scorching Flames 7

Sunbeams 6

Circling Heart 5

Haunted Ghosts 3

Purple Energy 4

Green Energy 4

Flaming Lantern 3

Cauldron Bubbles 3

Vivid Plasma 2

Searing Plasma 1.5

Blizzardy Storm 1

Green Confetti 1

Orbiting Fire 1

Nuts and Bolts 0.5

______________________________________

Total 95


Those prices are really fair!

I traded all of these for a Green Energy Hazmat + a Disco Beat Down TC.

Here is the Screenshot which shows Mr. Wayne getting all these Pickelhaubes: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=329253447

+ my own trading history: http://i.imgur.com/E736su4.png and http://i.imgur.com/huMirWn.png

I have got a trading history and experience of more than 2 years. So I know what my hats are/were worth and what Waynes are. So don't think you can come around and tell me I was sharked, that wasn't the case.

So if we follow the rules of bp.tf it is an unusual trade and because Wayne got the hightier unusuals I will use the unusual payment form on my Pickelhaubes:

95 buds * 0.9(=90%) = 85.5 buds ~ 85 buds

So I paid 85 buds for a GE Hazmat and a DBD TC.

The DBD TC was fairly priced at 20 buds at that time, which reveals to a rest amount of 65 buds.

So I paid 65 buds for the GE Hazmat which is only reasonable in comparison to the Purple Energy Hazmat being sold for 80 buds in unusuals

(bp.tf performed a nicely downgrade here as well) and finally the Sunbeams Hazmat getting offers in the 100 bud range.

I simply did not suggest my sale as a new price for the GE Hazmat since there is another one in existence, but Wayne stated out now that he will keep his one for a while.


And here is the trade happening between African Druglord (previous owner of the Bonzo TC) and me:

http://i.imgur.com/4CmhI9R.png

I won't use any unusual trade form on my GE Hazmat because the Bonzo TC was offered to me which means the overpay is included in the Bonzo TC not in my Hazmat. If you doubt it simply ask Druglord http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198071023664/ .


==> So the second sale can be settled at 65 buds.

which brings us to a new range of 50 to 55 buds (1st sale 40 buds --> cash should be leveld higher but nevermind and 2 nd sale 65 buds: 25 buds difference which means 12.5 buds upon the lowest which makes 52.5 and 12.5 buds of the highest which makes 52.5 as well. So we got an average price of 52.5 buds.

That is still low if you try to imagine what I paid for it but it is a far more fair price than those 40 buds suggested by 欲 Dezi; nothing against you in personal Dezi!


My final appeal towards you: If you read through all of this and want to give a comment or your vote on my price suggestion, please mind that it took me a lot of effort to bring all this information together to give you an idea of what the Bonzo TC is worth/was sold for. So I would claim you to even put the same effort in your decision and/or vote on this trade and do not simply click a button or throw some short replies in which got no content.

Please also mind that this is more likely a correction and not an overall new suggestion, so I would say that the argument. “This was already priced a couple of days ago and doesn’t need another price suggestion does NOT count.”


Just a heads up:

Definition of Market Price: The price of goods/property generates by the sales of an item/property. It is not relevant what people said they would like to pay for it. The only relevant point on how to generate a market price is "What was acutally paid for it".


Thanks for your time on reading this! Stay honest!

      Completely relevant and useful comment right here.

      could you state it without a frickin wall of text?

        bp.tf rules on how to leave a price suggestion: "minimum amount of sings to be used in your comment 500". I am just showing some detail, you cannot blame me therefor.

          Who said i was blaming? lol

            Your choice of words: "frickin" ~ freaking; I am sorry if I missunderstood you wrong but I can only interpret your words via the internet not your chant and that's what "frickin" told me you: are annoyed by my "wall of text" or as I would call it "detailed information on a sale"

              Damn you're too detailed and "englishy"

              I dont blame ya

              Btw "frickin" is easier to type

                Alright was a missunderstanding from my side then. My excuses! Just trying to be factual here with all that hate being released upon me in a couple of minutes.

        it is your greed

          haters are always welcome

          You appear to be disregarding Bobsplosion's purchase as an outlier...


          Which means you are making a range out of one sale. You can't do that.

            I said I was not a fan of how it was purchased but that this is my own opinion (I would have taken that cash amount as well if that was my first unusual to unboxed) and not relevant for my calculation. Can you please read further than my first 4 lines. My Price suggestion puts both sales in an equivalent rating/comparison.

              ". My Price suggestion puts both sales in an equivalenting rating/comparison."


              When you value once sale 25 buds above the other, one is an outlier (or one is over or under valued). You don't just make a range in the middle of the two sales. If this isn't what you did, I apologize for misinterpreting.

            Please explain to me why I am getting so many dislikes on my comments that are only meant to be a direct answer on your question?

              the 2nd sale mentioned in your link is explained by me in more detail; the first sale is mentioned in my suggestion as well on the beginning and in my final conclusion if you would try to read through all of this

                so you're saying that what this guy sold his for:


                "Sold for $1200 USD + fees

                http://imgur.com/k9kCy82

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23764848

                1200 / 30 = 40"


                he was lying? but some how your opinion is correct?

                  He wasn't lying but here again just for you: I paid 65 buds for it and Bobsplosion paid 1200 $ for it ~ 40 buds. So we got 2 sales, bp.tf rules for a price suggestion are fullfilled. And now my new price which is set at 50 to 55 buds ~ 52.5 buds and 52.5 buds is the exact mid between my purchase and the one of bobsplosion. I never said bobsplosions trade is unreasonable or even that he is a lier, that came out of your imagination.

                    It doesn't work like that. If you have a sale at 52.5 buds, you price it at 52.5 buds, not 50-55 buds.

                      I am sorry if that is missunderstanding but I just tried to bring some balance into all of my calculating so I decided to rather give a small range where you can vary inbetween than fix it to 52.5 buds,

                        may want to close this and re-suggest

                          You would have to resuggest, but the first sale can't be ignored. I don't know if a range of 40-55 buds would work, it seems like a rather large gap. But i'm not too experienced with high tier unusual suggestions so I can't say for sure. If it won't work you'd have to wait for a third sale to happen to see which price would fit better.

                How are these worth more than anti-freeze?

                  Can you please put more content into your replies. The price is made by what people paid for it. Your sentence is like: How can a virtual item be worth more than newly bought cpu/computer.

                    I was hoping that comment would be taken less seriously. My apologies.

                    Halloween Hype. It's current price will last as long as this suggestion.

                    So, if I understood what you are saying :

                    You didn't take the actual bp.tf value of the GE Hazmat (which is 1 of 2 when the PE is 1 of 1, so can't be compared to) and instead of that you're basing its price on a sale involving tons of outdated Unusuals?

                    The GE Hazmat is 45 buds -> the TC was offered on it -> sale at 45 buds, that's all !


                    Range should be 40-45 buds

                      DrugLord agreed upon my b/o of 70 buds on the GE Hazmat. http://i.imgur.com/HNNDzqP.png Simply ask him. I explained everything being mentioned in my price suggestion as well towards him. Otherwise explain to me why he didn't say my hat is only worth 45 buds. The Pickelhaubes are not outdated, there is just nobody resuggesting its prices and I already priced my pickelhaubes in relation to the market if you would try to compare it with the bp.tf prices you will see most of my prices on the pickelhaubes are even under the bp.tf price.

                        Cool story but there are rules on backpack.tf ( http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/ )

                        And it seems DrugLord doesn't have much experience in trading, he just uncrated an Unusual and sold it to the first guy coming -> B/Os don't mean anything here (a B/O put at 200 buds doesn't mean that the hat is worth 200 buds)

                          That's why I have shown what I purchased the GE Hazmat for. To have a sale instead of a b/o.

                            Yeah but the sale is involving tons of outdated Unus, so please stick to the actual bp.tf value of the hat

                              If I would have sticked to the bp.tf value of my pickels, they would have been worth more than 100 buds. Can't be wrong by me to underrate them when their prices here on bp.tf are outdated. Would just have been wrong when I highballed on their prices, but that's not the case; please check.

                                Yeah so you're picking prices on Pickels which are coming from nowhere, all is based on assumptions. So the entire calculations are lies.

                                Who said your sale wasn't an outlier too?

                                I feel like I repeat myself but you have to take this price http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5415a0c3b88d88576a8b459d which isn't outdated making your sale at 45 buds.

                                But I know you won't listen because you want to apply your own rules to manipulate the price easier. So I'll stop here cuz it's boring to talk to a deaf guy

                                  Check the outpost sales if you need to get an idea on what the pickels are worth. Your last argumentation is like you would say the Burning TC is worth 120 buds because that was the trade that happened before Bobsplosion trade for ~ 540 buds.

                      From you trade.


                      I will state this out clearly:

                      "Everyone who relates to the god damn bp.tf price will be permanently blocked and reported. This trade is only for offers! I paid the amount I am now asking for.


                      Man , your trade its such a cancer .


                      Besides , why do you even care if someone offers an ammount guiding by this page unusual prices . Its just a guide and you shouldnt be so offended.

                        bp.tf is a guide = correctly; and I am just suggesting upon this guide. I am allowed to, am I not?

                        Well and you cannot imagine this but I got already a couple of adds on steam telling me "how cancer" I am, asking for 70 buds on my TC and always being related to the new price suggestion by Dezi. So maybe I am a bit pissed off but that's the internet: some people get a good morning by adding me and calling me a moron. Anyway to stop this "shit storm" on me, I decided to put up my suggestion here as well.

                        How about we all take a nice cup of stop that drama. ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ

                          Totally agree

                            Anyways , blocking and reporting just because someone considers an offer a "lowball" its kinda stupid.

                              It is just a decision made up by me. I never did this in 2 years trading but it is my own way of prevention from abusive comments.

                                Alright


                                By the way , can you explain why you think "bob" its a sharker? In my point of view he made an acceptable offer of 1200$ , being 40 buds.I think , even he could offer less and the seller would accept anyways , but bob was honest and didnt lowball him.

                                  like I said: "no accusation of sharking" which means I do not intend Bobsplosion to be a shark. Please read closely to what I am saying in English.

                                    Then i dont see any reason to put "sharking" , no one would think he is by any point of view.

                                      you are the example why I put this annotation "no accusation against bobsplosion for sharking" because you thought I was saying he is a shark by reading the sentence before this annotation but I am not saying that.

                                Blocking is understandable.

                                But reporting? U wot m8?

                                  reporting in case of abusive content in the post like: how can your fucking unusual be worth 70 buds moron when bp.tf says: <link of dezis price suggestion>

                                  That's one of many ways you will be reported in addition to block because of inapproriate language.

                                  I hope you do now understand what was behind that. Anyway please stop this discussion here since it does not have to do anything with my price suggestion. Thanks in advance!

                              1. GE hazmat price is up-to-date

                              2. Even if you want to do a mini on it, almost ALL pickelhaubes have outdated prices.

                              3. You can't make up a range this way. If you have sales at 40 and 65, the range must be 40-65. However, as already mentioned it's too wide. And you'll need 3rd sale to determine an outlier.


                              To be honest, Dezi's suggestion is perfect and you should just close this and deal with the fact how badly you overpaid on Hazmat.

                                You cannot simply call something an overpayment if someone (in this case me) is willing to pay and finally paid that amount for it (GE Hazmat). It is like you would call Bobsplosion 540 buds payment on the Burning TC and overpayment. then any raise of a price would be a "bad overpayment".

                                You already said it: "It needs a 3 rd sale to determine an outlier" but you call mine already one with your last sentence without a 3rd sale happening.

                                I follow your logic, but you need to reorganize this and follow the suggestion guidelines or nothing will ever pass. Gotta operate within the rules or ppl will just tear it apart like this.


                                Looks at how other suggestions are presented, read the guidelines on the forums and resuggest mate

                                  [constructive criticism, if you want help with anything, I'd be glad to assist you in any way I can]


                                  you've disregarded overpay all together.


                                  if you believe the hazmat price is wrong, then you need to update the price of it. For this you will need minisuggestions on all of the outdated pickels.


                                  After this, given the hazmat is still valued at ~50 and it is accepted, you can round it to 50 flat, and include the 40 sale, bringing it to 40-50.

                                    ah some people gave me instantly a negative reputation so I won't be allowed to post any price suggestions in future even if I just want to update pickels or hazmats, it is nice to see how easily you can be excluded on this site

                                    Simply getting a dislike on every single reply I am posting though it can be as factual as possible, but I should have known that I am only dealing with children here