Suggestion: Festive Grenade Launcher at 5–6 ref

Please refrain from commenting if the issue for which you are commenting has already been addressed or solved. Instead try liking the comments of issues of similar concern. I would only like constructive comments, not 50 comments telling me to do the exact same thing. Thanks

Need more solds. Downvote for now.

This is actually A SALE, HE SOLD 2, Check the comments of it.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23318022 6 Ref

He sold 2 one month ago on the day he opened the trade and didn't restock. Check comments

Classifieds

(get the cheap ones while they are still up)

1 @ 4.33 Ref

1 @ 4.66 Ref

4 @ 5 Ref

3 @ 6 Ref and up

Wow 4 whole solds as your proof..

Its 5 actually, and out of 33 trades which are not killstreaks, sets, or unspecified prices, on outpost which I would be able to use as proof if they sold. My proof represents 15%. So in a sold to acceptable trade on outpost ratio, I have more proof in this suggestion then in key suggestions.

More SALES!!!!

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23935831 5 Ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23906213 5 Ref

To Summarize all of the current sales:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23935831 5 Ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23906213 5 Ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23937016 5 Ref fast

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23950043 5 Ref Sold one of three

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23952658 6 Ref Sold in 2 hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23318022 6 Ref Sold 2

Another note:

The users selling below 5 ref haven't sold yet, it seems like they are not very active on steam.

3 sales won't make a suggestion pass when there are 4 pages of them. even if tons are killstreaked/in sets, 3 sales won't pass.

so if a huge majority of the ones selling on outpost are either in sets, or are killstreaks, or are invalid to use as proof, or have unspecified prices you are still unsatisfied with the number of sales I have?

As support proof I will add a classified thing, which might change your mind.

more unsolds won't change my mind. Why would unsolds at 5 and 6 ref help you? It's a definate no vote from me.

Unsolds usually are a few days old, as you should know, I have listed the dates, just for you.

These are here to show there is a majority of people selling this item at a higher price. Can you find any trades which are selling for less?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23933309 5 Ref : 1 Day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23949980 5 Ref : 18 Hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23935831 5 Ref : 1 Day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23906213 5 Ref : 3 Days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23948192 5 Ref : 22 Hours

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23937459 6 Ref : 1 Day

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23956956 6 Ref : 3 Hours

So what is your definition of an unsold?

Mine is a trade which has been open for a number of days which is healthily bumped, and the trade owner is unable to sell it at his requested price, which is usually higher than what people are willing to pay for it.

How about 2 solds at 6 ref? This link actually sold 2 a month ago. Check the comments.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23318022 6 Ref : Sold 2 one month ago on the day he opened the trade and didn't restock. Check comments

my definition of unsold is not sold. It doesn't matter what those people are selling for, as nobody is willing to buy them. the 6 ref solds are most likely outliers as nobody is buying for 6 ref now and there are plenty for under that. 4-5 would be much more sensible.

All of my sales for my price range (5-6 Ref) sold within one day.

All of the QUICKSALES @ 4, 4.33, and below sold within 1-4 Hours, without bumps.

Are you sure that is your definition? I mean to each his own, but i based my definition off of this price suggestion guide

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/792-how-to-make-a-good-suggestion-bullet-points-version/

It's definition of an unsold is...

"Unsolds"—trades which have been trying and failing to get a certain price—should only be used as evidence if they are old (a few days at least). Unsolds without autobumps aren't always good representatives of the market. Unsolds by themselves are not very conclusive.

You're overthinking it. What does the prefix "un-" mean?

there are plenty of sellers that can rule 6 ref as an outlier.

I have 3 solds for 6 ref, it isn't an outlier, One is an outlier three is not, and each of which sold the day the trade was posted. It isn't an outlier.

I'm not overthinking it, I'm using what the community defines as an unsold

Your opinion of a definition VS. The accepted opinion of the TF2 trading community of the definition

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/792-how-to-make-a-good-suggestion-bullet-points-version/

Community Accepted Definition

"Unsolds"—trades which have been trying and failing to get a certain price—should only be used as evidence if they are old (a few days at least). Unsolds without autobumps aren't always good representatives of the market. Unsolds by themselves are not very conclusive.

Why do you think 3 isn't an outlier with the abundance of sellers at 4 and 5 ref? There is no reason to buy at 6 ref except for convenience, and that isn't what this site is for - hell, then tour of duty tickets would be priced as .5 keys. 3 sales is plenty of an outlier as there are way too many at 4-5 ref.

3 is not an outlier. Why? because I have 5 sales to prove my price range. And I proved that anything less than 5 ref is a quicksale.

Convenience? What does convenience have anything to do with my proof? saying, hey there are still (Quick) sales at 4 ref, should be in range, you should know that they sell in under four hours, and my sales each sold in less than one day, still technically a quicksale, and even then the people who are selling it have extremely young trades, which cannot be defined as an unsold based on the ACCEPTED TF2 TRADING COMMUNITY DEFINITION OF AN UNSOLD. I think that not one experienced trader would ever consider taking the easy way to the item and paying for more. I even found a great deal which I bought as soon as the trade opened. If you are wondering it was for 4 ref, the trade owner sold it to me in 1 min. Yes a quicksale. but still I was growing tired of adding people who were off line and I was considering buying one for 7 Ref.

I counted all of the trades selling this item. 28 were selling it for prices within my range or more. 5 Were selling/sold it for lower. Out of the 4 pages which contain 20 trades each giving a total of 80 trades, out of this number of trades only 41.25% are usable for suggesting prices, the rest are killstreaks, sets, or offer/undisclosed prices. This is a rough count because I didn't count a few ridiculous asking prices, like 2 keys.

Abundance of sellers at 4 Ref????There are only 3 sellers at 4-4.33 Ref. and by your definition, they would be called unsolds. Also Sellers=/= solds, or sellers!=solds(if you code with java). Solds carry more weight in making a price suggestion. Anyway there is way way way more proof for 5-6 ref as the price, and I proved that anything below 5 ref is a quicksale, which is why I added the times.

You don't see my point at all, and you aren't making any sense by bringing up points I never even mentioned. I'm just going to stop arguing as I don't see a point if you are going to be unprofessional and call me narrow-minded. If you're going to call people that when they have a lot more experience with suggesting then you do and just trying to help you make a valid suggestion, I suggest that you fuck off.

Geese Dude, I wasn't calling you narrow-minded if that is the only thing you took out of my whole rant I'm really sorry. I misread your statement and went on a huge rant without giving it a second thought, I just noticed your comment after i was editing, and I'm still not done editing. I know you have a lot more experience, but it just seems like you aren't being open to the idea of this bump and I was calling your approach to viewing this bump as narrow-minded, I don't know you, you might be the most open minded person in the world, but If you read closely enough I wasn't calling you narrow-minded directly, just your approach. The definition is not willing to listen to or tolerate other people's views. And it does seem that your view of this bump is likely so. You don't accept the 4 ref sales as quicksales, even-though they are by definition. You keep thinking my sellers are unsolds, which by definition they aren't. And this is a valid suggestion base on the rules, and suggestion guides.

I added you, we need to talk this out and get a few things straightened out too.

I'm not opposed to a bump... I'm opposed to how high it is when it easily could be bought for less. If it can be bought as commonly as 5 ref at 4 ref, why not include 4 ref and take out 6 ref?

Like I said I am beyond sorry that you took offense to anything I said. If you cant tell already, like to do things by the definition. And if it doesn't match the official definition, or way that something should be done I am able to argue my point using the definition/way against itself to make me right. I would really appreciate being able to apologize to you so i know you definitely see it, or hear it. Maybe we could play some TF2 or other games together or something.

with so many 4-4.33 sellers... 4 should really be in the range

I have 3

4-4.33 sellers

I have 5

5 ref sellers

I have 3

6 Ref sellers

What you call many I call few, and they should be considered quicksellers, because of how fast the sell. Please also keep in mind that all of my sellers are very young.

Sells to fast,shows quick sell.

CAuSE LOGIC

Yeah, anything below 5 Ref sold within 4 hours, some within one hour, which is the definition of a quicksell. Something that was sold very fast because of the price it was posted at.

*Finally*

Thanks mate , you accomplished what i tried to do . Hope it'll pass , upvote . 3 Ref is way too low . Mine sold for 5 ref pure , also in there.