Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 13–13.66 ref

Current trend shows more occurring 12.66 refined, 13 refined, 14 refined. Be sure to check bump times for high-end range to get some clue about desirability of particular price.

About time.... keys are actually skyrocketting in price! xD

upvote, we need new price. For now current price is quicksell

wow 4 dislikes. i see somebady must be vary angry for any positiv comment for price rising

No buyer links?

This is one of those suggestions that has enough proof not to be instantly closed, but will need more before it can be accepted.

Per cleverpun request, providing proof regarding buyers.

Buyers

13.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23988919

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23873273

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23076425

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24056964

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23220506

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23798941

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23882704

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23874503

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24058547

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24057782

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24053982

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23960699

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24051525

13.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21521961

13.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22505819

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23506355

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23804132

13.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23389432

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23903641

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24037874

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24047440

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These indicates high demand and supports current range (combined with sales shown in general proof).

*Before making a statement about 'something like quick-sell', I would like to address that there is quite a few sales for 12-12.66, these are outliers but indicates that market is quite expanded in terms of pricing . It appears that most sales occurs in range currently proposed.

Regards

Upvote, i don't think to tell you why (it rimes with "proof").

BUT, when the keys will have a stable price? If people keep buying, sellers will keep selling (daa), and refined will keep dropping in price, the only quickest solution to get a key will be buying from the store? I am not sad about the raise of the keys, i just want to know if refined will ever raise again.

It's up to Valve and it's policy. They did Bread Box. Refined just drives off item value as it's 'free source' currency. Nothing like crash will happen if refined takes secondary role in trading. It's a bonus for playing, that's all. I never understood idling for these, it's wasting more electricity than you get off it.

More buyers at 13.77 and 13.66

http://www.trade.tf/mybots/buyers/Mann%20Co.%20Supply%20Crate%20Key

im done with this game

This is getting outdated already, I sold 47 keys in the last 2 days for 14 ref each.

That 1 ref jump.

You mean .33 jump? His original price suggestion prior to this was 13-13.33 ref.

This is going to happen but I want to clarify this very clearly. Whenever key suggestions are open, there are bound to be many haters who will possibly start a flame war. Please do NOT start flame wars or feed trolls on key suggestions. This is a serious matter and is a bannable offense. Don't say I didn't warn you. Please Keep ALL comments relevant and constructive to the suggestion. This will make a mod's life much, much easier. If you want to rant, do it in the forums. This suggestion has quality proof so expect a rise in keys again

I hope I've done you a favour Polar <3

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You deserve the ¶ good music for you my friend.

I agree with this

Awww my voting streak. Last Key suggestion got closed :C. Ah well, on to greener pastures.

Good proof, and in mass quantities of it because keys are being traded every second.

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But man, I feel like Keys will eventually have a time where its one price bump each day.

We'll see.

http://prntscr.com/5eva99 insta sold 3 as soon as I posted them, upvote.

Here we go again...

If anyone is going to complain about keys rising

Let me tell you a few things first

1. Keys rising is a good thing because it shows that the TF2 economy is growing and getting stronger

2. If you're gonna complain about keys rising because you only buy them with refined metal, you might want to buy them directly from the Steam Community Market or the Mann Co Store instead.

3. This suggestion has sufficient proof so get ready to see keys rise

The TF2 economy is not growing and getting stronger just because one portion of the currency rises. It doesn't get worse, either.

The rest are good though.

Now, on the topic... upvote.

And I gotta counter this again

First, keys rising is not a good thing but that's how the market works and we only report it, the fact that keys' prices keep rising makes it very difficult to make any profit, whats more, buds go down.

' Keys rising is a good thing because it shows that the TF2 economy is growing and getting stronger ' isn't a constructive statement

Sorry @Clarity but, you clearly don't know anything about economy.

Second, Keep in mind that most of newcomers hardly get some refs and it feels horrible that you can't even buy a single key, I guess that's why people complains about it. Remember, tf2 is a free to play game, means most of the people who play this don't have money to buy something good, they just play for fun and not for trading, also you can't buy refs off scm.

Third, the suggestion is not bad, but may need a little more of proof

Personally, keys rising or falling down don't affect me in any way, but I DO agree that tf2's economy is crashing horribly. Just think a minut about the people who want to start on the trading world, how would you feel if you can't buy a single key? I had that feeling around 5 months ago, and trust me, it feels horrible seeing how people buy unusuals and make profit with keys everyday while you wear a gibus and hardly get a kill.

That's all from my point of view.

Cheers

Ctrl c and ctrl v ftw :P

Ability of making profit depends on investment strategy - low profits (safe) or risky. Nothing hurts as long as there is efficient currency to base on.

If we have currency, everything keeps rolling.

I would argue that most people do invest in Steam (games, services) so they have access to steam wallet. If you're not able to spend few dollars to support developers, it might be a problem to start trading - yes. Otherwise, refined just drives down the prices for items other people are paying real money.

If you feel proof is insufficient, you're free to propose anything else as long as you're able to provide proof. For me it seems quite straight-forward.

It has rising tendency. I would guess that this might not be the last rise of key's this year.

Yeah, earbuds and refined are going down because of the raise of the keys, that's why I say this is crashing and really bad

I would prefer if you don't post this exact thing from future on. This does nothing but aggravate more people and the proof of that is right below you.

Well, for me interesting part is relations of refined and promo items. As I see it, it's just hype driving buds/bills down, because currently keys value increase is a result of refined inflate.

Not sure, why the same path fallows for bills/earbuds. Keys in terms of real money are not changed much and refined as a margin seems kinda questionable at this point. Maybe I need to learn more about economics tho. For me it seems kinda irrational.

Here i sold him 5 keys for 13.33 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24053591

With the arrival of the new keys, I think 13 - 13.33 is the go to range from the keys being currently sold.

Nice proof mate! Upfloat :)

13.66 is barely possible and sell super fast. It's a good suggestion but already not relevant i'm afraid.

I posted a key for 13 ref on the classified a few minutes ago and got swarmed with friend invites and trade offers.

High demand items might has this nature. I could not ignore lower range with that amount of sales happening. I will check tomorrow to see how it goes then.

Did a quick look,

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24065938

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24064152

12.77

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24064264

12.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24065985

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24064896

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24064029

12.33

http://www.trade.tf/trade/474267114

http://www.trade.tf/trade/474265151

Acording to this, not only people sells for 13.66 and up, but as low as 12 refined per.

This market has 2 extremes - one at 12 refined and 14 refined.

From this, I can conclude that it's valid enough to conclude that most of trading happens somewhere in the middle of those extremes. Feel free to counter.

Huh, at current backpack.tf price, keys will be worth ~$2.33 on paypal. Ref is probably going to drop in value again because of this.

Upvote. I can tell you from personal experience that when people sell keys for 12.66 right now the keys get sold in less than 20 minutes.

I am not really sure, but since there are so many keys lying around, shouldn't there be a lot more proof than this to raise the price of keys again? I mean there are around 900,000 keys lying around according to backpack.tf.

(revised) COPYPASTA:

The only reason that keys are going up is the fact that Refined Metal has little use for anything outside of trading. If you're lucky, you'll craft a hat that is worth 3 refined or more, and it's pretty easy to have the metal for that.

The amount of item drops per cycle ranges from 5-12 non-crate items (2.5-6 scrap if all are weapons). With how many people are playing tf2, that means maybe a few thousand refined worth of weapons found every week. This endless cycle produces more metal than people may need, and according to the supply-demand economics effect, with less demand and more supply, the price goes down. And the only way to balance this out? Raise the price of keys. If there was something new added in regarding refined, a good idea would be to create another, and actually good, use for refined metal for there to be a rise in demand. The only issue is that after time, something that can be created with refined will normally end up being cheaper to buy than to craft.

tl:dr version: There's no good use for refined right now, and when refined drops in price, keys balance out by raising in price.

p.s.: Yes I know keys have a large supply, but the demand is greater than supply, as is the supply of ref being greater than demand.

So much bloody proof, UP VOTE !

i highly agree with the people who try rising key prices, i have sold at-least 12 if not 14 keys for 14ref

also... i couldn't find myself here, please include my link in this :) i buy keys for 13.77

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24073926#latest

Yes! Market price is quite expanded. People do make irrational choices, for example, by selling as low as 12.66 while there us quick-buyers for more. So yes, I would say that price update is needed, but telling exact range (for now) is quite subjective choice.

We could make 12-14ref and everybody would be happy (nope I guess)

We cannot stop anything. If you had been reading some earlier discussions, you would have a glimpse of what happening and what this community is intended to do. We're not here to make decisions and experienced traders look at bp.tf pricing with positive caution.

You clearly don't know what the inflation is. You can't just tell people to stop it. This is normal reaction of the market to the increase of amount of refs. We just have to deal with it.

the proof looks very good. and by the way, you can get weapons for free wich you can make into metal, but keys are a diffrent case.

yes i know you can get enough metal one day, but you can't get/make keys for free.

i'm gonna have to vote in favor.

*sigh* Upvote

I just bought two at 13 ref in two days. It wasnt easy.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24029797#latest

no thank you :3

although its painfull to see the large price bump its true what people are selling these for 13 ref. to think that in a year the price jumped from 5 ref-ish to 13 ref nearly triple now e_e i hardly can get a key for 12 ref range sadly have to upvote :D

Seems like keys will have the ultimate buying power, with all other items on tf2 being lowered in price all the time and not gaining any value. Better buy keys before they get expensive and cash out as soon as you can to avoid the crash.