Suggestion: Refined Metal at $0.16–$0.17

And if you don't know why refined is going down, it is because people are crafting less and less hats, and crafting way more weapons into metal, in 2012, there was about 1 million refined, now, there is about 4.5 million refined.

"in 2012, there was about 1 million refined, now, there is about 4.5 million refined."

Perphaps you should mention also that by the end of 2012 there were just over 100,000 keys. To date there are now upwards of 900,000

Kinda helps put things in perspective.

Proof looks.. fair, although the "sold many" part is abit iffy on Strife's thread since you can't verify how many were actually sold

> owns 1

HA , COUNTER! YOU'LL LOSE VALUE BY $0.01-$0.02!

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*Looks at let me destroy your bp value*

You should change your name just for this suggestion to BP Destroyer, and etovpu bud.

$0.15 looks like a common trading point, and I don't think just 1 buyer at $0.15 is going to change that.

I was doing $0.16 to $0.17 as a conservative bump, if people suggest that I should do $0.15-$0.17, then I'll repost. Thank you.

noooooooooo

Do you enjoy not reading?

He's done it before, it's not new

'Merry Christmas, let me destroy your bp value!'

Looks like a solid amount of proof, upvoted.

I'd support a conservative bump over a more drastic bump, personally.

This won't be as much of a "bp destroyer" as the other suggestions which dropped it 3-4 cents.

Still 7%~ :P

Eh, that's just some spare coins :P

Down goes my bp. Down goes everyone's bp. lol

OH NO! D ECONOME IS CRASHING! SAVE TF2

I KNOW, URMAGURD. HALP

everone halp me do dis. we r gona all upboat a suggestion on bp.tf. it wil mak keyz 2.33 ref LIK D OLD DAYS...//' pls halp us do dis bc the economi iz crashin.

Just as I thought that the ref prices were already terrible

upvote i guess

Here is a short explanation of the TF2 economy:

The key prices have not changed at all, it's just refined that's going down, which is causing keys to go up, which causes buds to go down.

"And if you don't know why refined is going down, it is because people are crafting less and less hats, and crafting way more weapons into metal, in 2012, there was about 1 million refined, now, there is about 4.5 million refined."

Bzzt! Wrong!

Keys have increased by 9 times their original amount of 100,000 to 900,000 in the same time. Explain that.

Metal = Demand drops, stock increases. Of course metal will go down

Keys = Demand high, stock high. Keys will increase hence due to demand. People are also preferring to offload metal for keys, and with the key demand high, people will pay higher so that they can offload metal and get keys.

The correct reason is that metal isn't wanted at the moment. It is less wanted because other people don't want it either.

"...now there is about 4.5 million refined"

Who said that? Who counted all the metal in everyone's inventories (including private and friendsonly backpacks)?

Wow another one so soon? Upgoat :(

Did you massacre an ethnic group before it was cool, Adolf Hipster?

Very nice job with your first currency suggestion.

Thank you.

Well there goes the small amount of value i hardly have!

Guess I don't care if my bp goes down by a few cents.

I'm surprised this hasn't been swamped like voters. You'd think every drop would have thousands because of the 'crash' that is apparently so imminent.

Great proof.

Maybe you can have a go at raising the key price when this is done. Seems like you know what you're doing, make that key price relevent! :D

unsolds at $0.18?

All 0 of them?

fair enough

Pretty solid proof.

Looks like he's really got a Ph.D :)

I don't know how or why that gets downvotes

Oh dear... GG my bp value, again :(. Upgoat

Now let's just wait till' keys rise up to 20 ref.

Still a good proof after all...

Heh "let me destroy your Bp Value"

Upvote

r.i.p my backpack.

Upvote. Good proof. Keys will be 20 refs before i had expected.

I agree just because you want to destroy my bp (which has been recently scammed too) value xD

rip in pepperoni pizza refined prices

That's a good amount of proof, ~~considering that nobody tries to sell for money now-a-days~~, upvote

you have failed in your task in destroying my bp value >;D i have 300 keys. every time u shit the ref the keys rise. muhahahahaaa

Keys don't rise, lol.

technically they do, but it doesn't affect the overall price.

when ref goes down keys go up

What is with the downboats/downvotes on comments here?

Because of the bad proof he has put up? Quicksolds at 0.15-16 is self-counter and not to mention he don't have any unsold for 0.18.

"bad proof"

If it's so "bad" make your own, i'd love to see you make one.

if "$0.18 is still possible", then why isn't it in the range?

It's not in the range because it doesn't commonly occur.

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If everyone's backpack value in real life money goes down, wouldn't that make everyone's backpack still worth the same?

IMO if a weapon its 1 cent and you need 18 weps to make a ref, it should be worth 18 cents or more...

This isn't about your opinion, it's about the presented evidence of what people sell refined for.

Considering there is 4 and a half million refined metal in TF2 according to backpack.tf, should I believe that this is enough proof to prove anything? Just because a few people are selling their metal doesn't mean you should change the price drastically. Plus, this is a currency suggestion, and lowering the price of metal makes people believe that they have "increased backpack value" when they really don't, and also I believe you need a lot more proof. Lowering the price of refined raises the price of everything else that isn't refined, such as keys, but then even that is lowered due to suggestions partly for manipulation (cherry picking), or just stating what people are selling it at. Keys will have the ultimate buying power, even though there are over 900,000 keys in relation to 4,500,000 refined metal. In reality, I believe that keys therefore should be around 5 refined, because people are greedy and there is plenty of "false inflation" that raised the price of keys higher than what they are worth, and in correlation to my graph on the original statement of keys being 5 refined. Also, I found a few people that sold refined metal at 20 cents the other day. Again, with so much refined in existence and so many keys in existence, even putting hundreds of links of proof shouldn't be enough, since you a representing such a small piece of the currency / market. Just an opinion, but if people had to put thousands of links to provide proof, I would imagine that prices would remain pretty stagnant, since it would be such a hard task. Another point, people are being drawn away from this game because of the real inflation and fake inflation, and something needs to happen to raise some currency prices (metal, buds, bills) and lower others (keys, not so sure about max's severed heads yet). People don't like inflation in any economy, be it real or fake, because than it takes more work (trading in TF2) to make the same or a lower amount of money or profit. Just an opinion, but that is my view currently.

Once again, this is not about your opinion, -5 reputation overlord.

DId you read what I stated? I got -5 rep for trying to raise the price of metal, I don't believe that is such a bad thing. Plus, I got true statements in there with proof from backpack.tf itself and other sites such as outpost.

I honestly don't care what you said, this is not about your opinion, it's about the presented evidence, and you didn't have enough in your suggestion.

Yes I know I didn't have enough, however I believe that people ought to stop quickselling their items, it lowers the price of anything if people are like sheep and follow the crowd. I also stated my opinion on presented evidence, I knew that I didn't have enough in my suggestion, but if I was to post thousands of links of sellers it would have taken me a few days at least, and I don't have that time. I wasn't expecting anything great from my proof, just to get people to acknowledge that some are against this "you must lower the price of metal because backpack.tf says so". I also have no regard for reputation, my only goal is to make money so I can afford other games, and also to be the richest F2P TF2 trader.

This is not about your opinions, for the last time, it's about the presented evidence.

Please read my statements if you are actually reading them, I am stating what you are saying I missed. I am fairly certain that my "opinion" is based in fact and I can proof it through backpack.tf.

Well, show some proof then

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5+ troll suggestions. Spamming on every currency suggestion. How are you not perma banned yet?

Prove your opinion. Refined market is very small compared to other currencies.