Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 14 ref

This is going to happen but I want to clarify this very clearly. Whenever key suggestions are open, there are bound to be unhappy people who will possibly start a flame war. Please do NOT start flame wars or feed trolls on key suggestions. This is a serious matter and is a bannable offense. Don't say I didn't warn you. Please Keep ALL comments relevant and constructive to the suggestion. This will make a mod's life much, much easier. If you want to rant, do it in the forums.

One more thing, disliking all the comments against your thoughts will not make you a better person

You're pretty serious about posting all these arent you? o.o

Inevitable rise is inevitable

Please take all your discussion about keys here :

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6090-the-one-and-only-key-price-topic/

Do NOT post anything that has nothing to do with this suggestion. Thank you.

Reposting to emphasize you not to moan about keys here, this is a suggestion where legitimate proof is used. You cannot stop it with an opinion.

Inb4 all the haters come in without reading the comments above ^

http://gyazo.com/47c0ab22381bed0b35085a2d6efb89c6 Bought and sold keys @ 14 and 14.33 respectively extremely easily, up with the boats

*owns 58* omg price manipulatorrrrrrrr!!!!!!1

I have personally bought 20+ keys at 14 ref each. I can provide proof of this, but I really don't want to go through the trouble and screenshot all...

Everything seems good. Not going to upvote yet - will return later.

*sigh* Upvote

I swear, by New Year's Eve, keys will be as high as 15 refs.

I upvote, your proof is good.

Take it to key topic thread, don't spam - http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6090-the-one-and-only-key-price-topic/

Time frame of these sales appears to be good. Amount of proof is good. Buyers strengthen this. Support this change as it seems legit.

http://www.trade.tf/mybots/buyers/Mann%20Co.%20Supply%20Crate%20Key

~75 instant buyers for 14 ref

People are forgetting how the economy works.

If there loads of things it becommes worth less.

If there almost none of things its becommes worth more.

There are loads of ref.

Not loads of keys.

dammit, was going to make this suggestion :(

but anyways, here's the proof i found:

Sellers at 13.22:

http://i.imgur.com/W8eTl8V.png - sold

Sellers at 13.33:

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1146878 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24127567 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24127072 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24126401 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24123639 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24120015 - sold

Sellers at 13.55:

http://i.imgur.com/Px3W09T.png - sold

Sellers at 13.66:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24128621 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24128513 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24127615 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24126969 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24125467 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24124794 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24124418 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24124318 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24124182 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24124103 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24128513 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24128344 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24123147 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24122957 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24122852 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24120010 - sold

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1145964 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24112599 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24109495 - sold

http://i.imgur.com/unpfRfH.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/DDGJaTO.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/k9DIQaW.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/P6G8bk8.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/ztXfFqW.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/unlYKLU.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/iknw5JL.png - sold

Sellers at 13.77:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24125528 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24120923 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24120651 - sold

Sellers at 13.88:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24113076 - sold

Sellers at 14 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24128579 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24128515 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24127196 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24126213 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24125788 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24125593 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24124290 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24123808 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24123473 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24122632 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24117779 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24117565 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24116177 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24115982 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24115905 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24115095 - sold

http://i.imgur.com/atHV8GY.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/C0KcptH.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/pUSLQMj.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/AVXjDXC.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/SbelasJ.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/qcaXTHg.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/TtWMLPi.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/1gi5own.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/Q0tT4wv.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/n85P9i8.png - sold

Sellers at 14.11:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24128676 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24127541 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24126870 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24124909 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24128359 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24124810 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24118808 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24112389 - sold

http://i.imgur.com/DZTPLWQ.png - sold

http://i.imgur.com/ux4XKTY.png - sold

Sellers at 14.22:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24127669 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24123168 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24120001 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24119650 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24111446 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24109056 - sold

Sellers at 14.33:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24127542 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24127129 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24126065 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24124196 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24127678 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24124965 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24119991 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24116274 - sold

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1145127 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24111729 - sold

Sellers at 14.44:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24125367 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24119002 - sold

Sellers at 14.66:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24124814 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24116668 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24109049 - sold

Sellers at 15 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24125397 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24116434 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24109961 - sold

Buyers at 13 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24085518

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24084309

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23686995

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24048458

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24123229

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23884412

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24020934

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24102568

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24046986

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24116557

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24065293

Buyers at 13.33:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24111212

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23950337

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24137441

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23847440

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24125029

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24090696

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23890556

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24091384

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24090696

Buyers at 13.55:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24058531

Buyers at 13.66:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23930919

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23909650

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24090700

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23964544

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22667531

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24117172

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24046642

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24112967

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24075186

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24117212

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24134626

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24102218

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23741703

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24112967

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24075186

Buyers at 13.88:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23850730

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24041618

Buyers at 14 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24055156

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24065887

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23988919

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23097937

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24136568

Buyers at 14.11:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23640489

Buyers at 15 ref:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24137270

Opps sorry. Few have been requesting me to put up a suggestion for keys, if I knew someone else was gonna do it, then I would have not done it. x_x

Thank you for the extra help and proofs! Much appreciated. ^-^

This suggestion has been quite tame as the time of writing this comment.

Probably don't need to say "upvote/boat", as pretty much all of Plaxorous's key suggestions have passed ^.^

Soid a couple to Anabelle for 14 ref.

Upvote.

this is going to happen.I love you making this good suggestion.Upvote(It will hit 15 ref,very soon,maybe even christmas eve)

Can you read?

[url]http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6090-the-one-and-only-key-price-topic/[/url]

finally its about time they rise again, like... nobody selling bellow 14ref anymore xD

No-one is ripping anyone off. This is a economy, there's bound to be changes. REF are going down because people don't need them to craft hats like they used to.

FINALLY!

About time someone raised this to 14 ref.

I've seen people in my local trade server sell it for 16 ref, and actually get 16 ref.

Logic =/= Proof

what proof mean? I can do a trade with a friends for make a proof.

You would need a lot more proof than just 1 trade.

The proof provided is at the top. It shows sales at 14 and quickbuyers at 13-13.66 (etc). Logic alone does not make a price suggestion as you would need proof to back it up.

1) metal is free keys cost money i.e. we have a fixed currency and metal is the variable

2) It used to be 2.33ref doe!, well back then a majority of keys were carded keys (stolen via credit cards) and keys back then were ~1-1.25 usd paypal. Valve brought out the bann hammer so no more keys from shifty places. How does it make sense that people would buy keys for 2.5usd and then sell them for 1usd unless they obtained them via illegal means?

3) metal is useless, give me one decent reason to use metal besides buying keys and using it to craft low crafts once in a while.

Buds always drop to hell around Christmas and Halloween because everyone dumps buds to stock up on keys for the events. This is an economy things move via supply and demand bp.tf cant make prices if people werent already trading at the suggested prices.

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6090-the-one-and-only-key-price-topic/

Please take your opinions about keys here.

1) metal is free keys cost money i.e. we have a fixed currency and metal is the variable

2) It used to be 2.33ref doe!, well back then a majority of keys were carded keys (stolen via credit cards) and keys back then were ~1-1.25 usd paypal. Valve brought out the ban hammer so no more keys from shifty places. How does it make sense that people would buy keys for 2.5usd and then sell them for 1usd unless they obtained them via illegal means?

3) metal is useless, give me one decent reason to use metal besides buying keys and using it to craft low crafts once in a while.

4) why do you expect to get free money by playing a free game?

Lastly, proof need to be preexisting for the suggestion to be made meaning people have to be willingly be trading at the suggested price already. Bp.tf reflects the market, we cant increase the price if users havent already been trading at those prices

I don't want to make money out of a free game, I have lots of items on SCM and I usually convert keys into metal, I just find this is going crazy. I got warned for my comment although it was argued with common sense arguments, this site is sort of mental dictatorship. Just vote like you want, moderators are partial and there is nothing to discuss, it's a pity !

As much as I hate the keys to go up in price, this guy has just bombarded the suggestion with proof.

I say yes.

I see you like making your inventory more valuable. xD

Keys can be 50refs and he wouldnt be making any profit, keys are always max 2.5usd from the store it's price has never changed. Thats like saying ill sell my stuff for 2.5usd and then buy back at 2.5usd, there is no profit to be made when keys go up in terms of ref.

i hate key traders right now....

Up vote from me -.-

Proof looks promising, upvote.

(Btw, Snorlax is my favourite too :3)

I bought a key for 14.33 the other night. Upvote for me.

>Plaxorus

Obligatory upvote.

In all seriousness though, buying keys even at 13.66 is already hard. A rise is needed as usual.

If we stop voting the price up, maybe the price will stop being well-kept and up-to-date.

Nice proof, upvote.

Seems good to me, hard to even get keys at 13.66 took me a couple hours the other day

The proofs look good. And an update in price was needed. Upvote.

I knew I should've held onto those keys.

Good proof, upfloat from me.

Upvoted because proof, not because I like the price (which I don't- at all)

i hate this price. but its true so upvote

I'm sick of everybody saying that the increased key prices will crash the economy. Not true. Keys are still selling for the same price via paypal and on the community market. The decrease in value of refined metal is leading to an increase in key prices (by ref standards). If you are gonna go flame, flame on the ref price suggestions. Upvote from me.

These comments are worse then NISLT's comment section. Upvote :3

I love how someone mentioned NISLT's comments xD. Proof seems great though.

spookwagen

2sp00ky !!

Yeah, i want see video about this xD

Has Proof, what more do you need? Upvote

http://backpack.tf/rules

Rule 2

I agree, the Mann Co. Store is your new best friend.

message to everyone who only read this suggestion to dislike comments where someone explain why he upvote.

Stop doing this. If you don't want new price make own suggeestion with lower price. Step by Step. Find sellers with low price, create normal suggestion with proofs.

You know what is more annoying than the increase of the price? You guys. You can't stop acting like childrens?

"I don't like him because he have key and sold it for more than bp.tf price, stupid faggot, i hate him, i will dislike his post, he will hide in home and cry after this because nobody like's him on bp.tf"

Meh, I gave up on buying keys with ref a long time ago. Upvote, nice prüf.

i still don't understand why me and afew other people get so many downvotes on our comments just for saying good proof and "finally"..... just stop, honestly

Ok, for you people who keep complaining about TF2 trading is going to die, first of all, NO. You obviously don't understand how this is working. Every Thursday drop rates of weapons/crates reset. What the hell does that mean you ask? It means that every single Thursday for every single player playing for around 15-20 minutes, will get 1 weapon. Let's say that there are 5 million people playing at most in that very few minutes, and they all get a drop. 1 refined = 18 craftable weapons. 5,000,000 / 18 = 277,777.77 refined metal. That's how much refined is dropped within 20 minutes at most to 5 million people, and not every single person only get's 1 weapon. So please, stop complaining. Also, TF2 IS NOT A GAME BASED ON TRADING. It's an FPS game, you play it generally for shit's and giggles, but people, you and me, chose to join it's economic part of the game, and most of you complaining cannot tell me how an economic system works if I asked you while in the general public. So, again, stop complaining.

I think the bigger reason, is that they're complaining about FREE money that somehow has value, ref technically shouldn't be worth anything.

I didn't think about that.

it's backed up by is the time you waste trying to get it in the first place. Same goes for bitcoins, nobody calls it free because you have to waste LOADS of time to actually get at least one. (I know the difference in price of ref and a bitcoin, I'm just trying to make a statement.)

Oh lol.

Made a screen of your post.

You should just copy and paste it so you don't have to retype it too :D Tell people they're wrong with a simple Ctrl + V

I think keys are more and more expensiv so its not a good way to take ;(

Yeah... even 13.66 is a pain in the backside to buy. 14 is definitely the most common trading point. Upvote.

just think about this, if you upvote the price will increase and the pain will be just worse

Welp it keeps going up :V

upvote

I have just changed my raw metal for a key, 13.33 refined, see proof :

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/517548trade.jpg

why do people even need proof anymore for keys

they're allways going to increase, even i could predict that

But eh, whatever, i can just buy more hats with all this refined metal

Wrong.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53f06e3b4cd7b8bd438b495e

Да! Proof looks good, and for once I don't see people spamming the suggestion with "OMFG KEYS R 2 HI 4 ME LULZ R1UN EC0N0MY B4ST4RD!"

Thanks, moderators :3 upvote!

More support proofs:

http://postimg.org/image/6zfuzo48t/

http://postimg.org/image/fck3kl1at/

http://postimg.org/image/qkcd1b2id/

HAHA JOKES ON YOU I HAVEN'T SOLD MY KEYS YET

Can't believe that keys are this much in demand. Wonder how much longer it is until everyone gives up and everyone ends up buying from the Mann. Co store. Anyways, upboat

Why do people still hate on key prices? I find the situation rather humorous now xD

Why could I downvote this suggestion, but I can't upvote it???

Dunno, why is that?

"Nope" - Chuck Testa