Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 13–13.33 ref

edit: the time is related to when i posted the suggestion,so obviously it'll get oudated, i posted the young sellers just to provide how 14 is easily available

Actually there is no sense to changing price now, because its rising. (Last 16 hours from 10 ref to 13 ref)

the fall to 10 wasn't "real"

API was down > nobody could trade > everyone undercut eachothers prices

I bought a few at 10 from Outpost yesterday so I wouldn't say it was all due to the API stuff.

well you can't buy them now,can you ?

but yes,maybe you are on to something. maybe it was accidental that keys dropped to 10 during the API fall,and came back a bit after

i agree. the prices are indeed falling and it's definitely not due to daydreaming about API downtime ;)

There is already a lot of suggestions lol, why do u need to make yours? Btw i think this "drop hype" will die in 1-2 days and we will be back to 17 refs

huh,i totally didn't see those under all the "i think suggestions"

oh well,only one with this range

Look up, above your these proofs, 6 open suggestions excluding you

Edvis is right. This drop was created by panic sellers. Just wait some time and everything is going to old price.

yeah,better not to update and let statements like this happen

http://prntscr.com/5oek5g

backpack.tf should reflect the market,14 ref IS NOT what keys are going for

So it should be 15-13 because i see many prices...

again they can't sell for 14,so it should be thrown out of the range

why do you even mention 15?

why not make it 13-20,because i have to think someone is still trying to get 20 for his key

edit: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24427462 kek

Actually i see many trades for 14, 15, 16 etc. Keys are going up and down really fast. There is no sense about making new sugestion man. 16h before keys were 10 refs now they are 13 refs. If we would changing price on keys we would have like 3-4 changes today.

you just don't understand,do you ?

i can put up a key for 100 ref,it doesn't mean jack shit if nobody's buying it.

they dropped to 10 ref due to trade API being down

and we aren't making 3-4 changes,we are making one.

I just want to say they are rising that fast there is no need for change man...

how are they rising,when i just provided more than 40 unsuccessful sellers at 14

They are rising as i'm saying from even 7.44 (in one moment keys were that low) to 13. And okay they were panic sellers but they starting drop keys from 16.66 refs....

Youve explained yourself pretty well 3v1lcl0n3, I wouldnt bother trying to convince this guy of anything... In 3 years of being active in tf2 he hasn't made any increase on his bp value. Either he isnt a trader and has no knowledge of how to percieve the market or he is a bad trader o0....

Just ignore his further comments and let the proof speak for itself... no need to start a debate over it with him ;)

Some nice proof to support your range, you might want to add a little more as the day goes on to bolster it though :)

Actually had team capitan bubbling but sold it ^

And i'm playing team fortress 2 from 2009 for sure (but still i remember when the only way to get hat was get this by drop not by crafting) Maybe my logic is wrong, just say why my logic is wrong in easy way if you can and want.

Grats on obtaining a bubbling team captain.. must have been over 30 months ago or you bought / sold it within 1 day because your bp history has not recorded it. 3v1lcl0n3 has explained it quite simply to you regarding the API downage and the effect it produced, I see no need to repeat his words in more detail... suffice to say, he is right and as a non trader you should probably stop arguing with him since you have less knowledge about it than him :) <3

Gl on your suggestion 3v1lcl0n3, I look forward to seeing some more evidence, just to firm up this suggestion and get it passed with expedience.

Okay i will stop arguring. I will try to learn some more about market in tf2. Still that was my only thought maybe not really good but just thought. (About TC i unboxed it and sold it like in 30 mins. It was 09 January 2013, i checked on this site)

But 1 thing is unclear for me. If keys go down, ref should raise with earbuds and bill or i'm wrong?

-sigh- ...

No if keys drop to this suggested price then the price of refined will be accurate. Currently bp.tf overestimates the price of ref by a small fraction.

As for buds and bills, they have no correlation to the price ratio of keys:refined

Okay. Thanks