Suggestion: Non-Craftable Tour of Duty Ticket at 0.5 keys

but you're wrong. since 1 tod is $1 and 1 key is $2.49 so it's not 0.5 key. 0.5 key is just for trading when traders find it easier to say 0.5 key is 1 tod but the actual value is less. 1 key is more exactly 2.5 tods.

The price should be what people trade at, not what the Mann Co. Store's prices are...

Then buy a wep in the Mann co store and call it 4 keys

Yea sure...

The only difference is tod can be bought only from Mann co store and weapons can be dropped.

Did anyone notice that way to get profit from this? you can get about 5 ToDs from Mann co store with 2 keys worth of money. You can trade them for 2.5 keys (according to people saying ToD = 0.5 keys). Thats about $6.25. Sell it on SCM (or use paypal as there are no fees I know of). Even with the valve fees thats about $5.32. That may not seem much but if you do this with large amounts you'll get a lot of profit.

I think everyone noticed that, Sherlock

wow How many weapon drops did you get and how many tour tickets (tradable) ? like 1000 : 0 .....

Lol Exactly.

Can someone please make a new price suggestion so we can all stop wasting our time voting and commenting on this "0.5 key" nonsense?!

New price suggestion needs to be 6 refs. That's all. No insane price changing schemes.

Go and find counter-proof for this then, you can't say they aren't selling for 6 Ref/2:1 with keys right now. Backpack.tf made no rules about this except not being able to change currency from a to b without proof for it. This is not just changing currency, it's changing the prices, and there's nothing against that. Let the suggester, the one who actually put in the time and effort to find the links, decide.

I don't know two tour of duty tickets seem to always be below a key. Otherwise we will have people selling 2 TODs for a key TOD being 1$ and keys being 2.50$ even with steam tax that person can still make easy money on the community market. I say keep it at ref

As someone who has attempted to sell these 2 for a key for over a year, I know that these do not sell at that price all that often compared to how many are sold at other prices. Perhaps 0.4-0.5 keys would be a better price, but I am still unsure whether a change to currency is needed. It is not that difficult to update the price of these in refined and keys do not crash all that often in refined, so there isn't really a pressing need for this change.

from store prices 0.4 looks better

from scm prices (tod sometimes slightly > $1 and key sometimes around 2.35-2.4) even 0.45 seems fitting

but on normal trades they are going for even higher (like someone gave the gift wrap example)

i just browsed 2-3 pages on outpost and found 2 buyers @ 0.5 keys:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24494365

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24491609

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24493717

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24491099

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24474092

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24480313

(i found these links in less than 10 min. - i don't think it is hard to sell them for 0.5 key)

even the price in ref is around 0.5 key

it is true that they should be less than 0.5 but currently thats how the market is. if this change is accepted and after key prices settle may be they would become stable at 0.45-0.5 but 0.4 doesn't look possible. lets see what the community decides on this currency change.

I have to agree.

Sellers that are selling/sold in refined metal (6.00 - 6.66 ref ) :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24460994

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24472683

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23993912

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24463000

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24171807

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24482560

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24489443

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24495039

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24482388

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24450508

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24463312

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24441262

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24478694

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24496864

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24495750

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24494893

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24495251

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24459832

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23803016

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24490047

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487139

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24474237

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828659

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23077072

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24488639

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24463933

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24494985

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24464617

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24493777

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24494035

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24460994 - 6.77

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24472683 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23993912 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24463000 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24171807 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24482560 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24489443 - 6.66 or 0.5 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24495039 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24482388 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24450508 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24463312 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24441262 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24478694 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24496864 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24495750 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24494893 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24495251 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24459832 - 6.66

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23803016 - 6.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24490047 - 6.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487139 - 6.55

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24474237 - 6.66 or 0.5 key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828659 - 6.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23077072 - 6.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24488639 - 6.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24463933 - 6.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24494985 - 6.44

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24464617 - 6.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24493777 - 6.33

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24494035 - 6

currently 6.33 and below appears to be quicksell. scrap.tf and some other bot buying at 6.22. yesterday i even saw a bot buying for 6.33.

majority of sellers in above links are in 0.5 key range currently. like someone have already mentioned many are using 0.5 key price as reference. i posted this suggestion as soon as the previous one (6.66-7) got accepted so that my 6.83/13.66 logic would be accurate then. the market changed slightly in 2 days. sometimes key prices went slightly below 13 and tod prices dropped below 6.66. now key prices are not going below 13 and tod prices also started to rise.

i'm not denying the fact that many people trade it in ref. but the ref exchange value is determined by the key-ref value and since they can't have 0.5 key for 1 tod they have to trade in metal. like an unusual worth 0.9 buds or 1.5 buds (just an example) have to be traded in keys also.

I've sold plenty at 2 for a key, and I don't even have auto-bump on every site like you. I got like 9 adds for 2 for a key when keys started to drop.

I kinda like the idea of TOD tickets becoming a type of currency.

Keys are going up again...

You shoud put the price in Ref.

Another thing to note would be the fact that trader who are trading games and want "half a key" mean that they want a ToD ticket. This along with all of the valid proof has earned you an upvote.

Most of your .5 buyers are poorly bumped. I'm not so sure how pricing this is keys is going to go with it being worth so much less than a key.

you need to put it in refined downvote

This change would officially make TOD's a currency... Think you could get a bit more proof?

Extra proof:

http://i.imgur.com/9YLcGm8.png

http://i.imgur.com/BGsSOZP.png

My outpost trade:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24467420

7 ref sales within a day

Keep as ref, so much easier to make teh price for

No because tic is a marketable pure, like keys. They change as keys change. Most everyone does 2:1 and gets sales

Upvote.

I think we all agree that 2 ToDs are 1 Key ..

"I think we all agree..." - Let me stop you there....

And why is that ? Even according to the mann co store they're less than that

if you wanna make a new currency, you're going to need a lot more proof than that.

also, most buy/sell for ref, not keys unless it's in a bulk trade

ToD Tickets do change along with Keys, but they're usually consistently cheaper than 2 Tod for 1 Key. For starters, selling a Key on the SCM and buying 2 ToD tickets leaves you with some change, and usually people will pay 2 Tod + some Ref for a Key if you're trading strictly with items.

There's no reason to pay a Key for just 2 ToD tickets unless you're incredibly lazy.

Steams Mann Co. Store sells Tour of Duty tickets for $0.99 and keys for $2.49

Therefore tickets should be 2/5 the price of a key, not 1/2 the price of a key.

By that logic 5 wranglers should cost a key, since a wrangler is .49 cents and a key is $2.49

Not a good comparison, as weapons are free in drops when we play the game. We don't get free key and ticket drops.

Thats not the point. The point is is that we cannot use the Mann co. store prices as comparisons.

Premium gifts are 2 keys in the store, but go for 2+ keys.

Gift wrap goes for nearly a $1 less than a key in the store, but is worth a key.

Black and White paint are 2 keys in the store, but both go for 2+ keys

Then uncrating hats are multiple keys cos you can't find thoz

So an Iron Bomber is two keys. I get it.

(I don't get it)

Yea 0.5 Keys , that's very to pay . Its not even possible if you look at it the way you want to . Keys are going down ref is going up . Should be ref . Downvote .

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22936763 my trade

my solds since January 1st: http://imgur.com/a/HR7sm

i just reopened my trade last night because i was out of stock until then. http://imgur.com/4FarVYw,MQqGjlD

make it go down by 2 cents?

seems fine.

Guys, think about it, why would people buy for more when you can get a unlimited supply of it in the mann co store for 1 dollar? This should never go above 1 dollar.

some people don't have money or steam market access. deal with it.

Keep it at ref.

2 for a key is the "I NEED IT RIGHT THIS SECOND OR IM GONNA DIE" Price.

It's nice that some of our premium outpost and bp.tf members have sold for this price, but it does NOT represent the whole market.

Right now even scrap.tf has tons at under the CURRENT price.

Classifieds full of em too.

Gonna have to thumb this one downski.

scrap.tf is actually selling tickets at exactly half of what they charge for a key.

selling =/= sold

I think you missed the point of the comment. He was saying they were charging less than .5 of a key but from scrap.tf's pov they are charging exactly .5 of a key.

idk, you are using a lot of outpost, the place famous for 2 tickets for 1 key. Many also sell it for around 0.4 of a Key value as well instead and you aren't listing those. I say 0.4 key.

Simple solution would be just price this at .40 - .50 Keys, and never change it. As long as they NEVER go on sale again in the Mann Co Store, they "in theory" should never have to change price. Why? Because when key's change, ToD's also change. Yes, that is how it works (sorry to inform all of you). Much like Keys, ToDs are very commonly used and bought. Gift Wrap, and any other item that is bought directly from the store may have a slightly higher in game price but that is simply because they are not nearly as traded as often as ToD tickets. I honestly think this would be the best course of action for this item, however I don't control the outcome. The truth is for simply posting this, I'll probably be warned.

a range of 0.4 - 0.5 would be perfect

key range is dumb you fail downvote

Well i don't know about this suggestion keys are dropping so 0.5 might not be a fit price

Completely unnecesary change the currency, and the other comments show it. Clearly downvote.

Why do you think this change is unnecessary? Other replies only show that 0.5 key is rather high and it'd be good to add a lower end to the range, such as 0.4-0.5 keys. Nothing shown against changing the currency.

What's the point to use 0.4 - 0.5 Keys when you can use refineds? Keys down and up his price very fast, more than ToD. This just will cause problems. Value in Keys just is useful when the range includes, at least, 1 Key.

that unfair, its only 0.99 USD each, but key are 2.49

And gift wrap\lime\pink is 2$, but key is 2.49.

What now?

why it needs a gift wrap

2 TOD ticket = 1.98 USD

1 key = 2.49

Look at the price of Gift Wrap and Lime/Pink Paint.

6,33 ref what a prize it was 3,33 ref last year prize has been doubled

close this suggestion it's embarrassing

So... now i can buy a key for 1,58€? (Price of a ToD on tf2 store: 0,79€)

store value=/=actual value

this applies only if the item cannot be get by crafting it or by a random drop, TOD tickets in this case, all come from the mann.co store

and? keys can only be purchased from the store yet people only sell them on paypal for $1.80.

like i said, store value=/=actual value

Jesus, that price hurts my eyes.

Why not just list it in pure metal? Keys have been going up and down over the past few days anyways, and having something listed as half a key instead of a nice, solid number of refined isn't great.

Because, y'know, you can't technically split a key in half in this game. I can't sell half a key to someone and sell the other half to someone else. This is why Backpack.tf doesn't let you use a decimal range in the key field when selling on classifieds anymore.

Downvote for me, purely because using the smaller currency form would be infinitely better than trying to sell half a key.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23323237

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24430430

your sellers under 0.5 keys are counting keys at 16 ref :/

I have been wanting for this to happen for a long time now, but most>some ;[

well the trade i am going to do there asking for 1.5 keys and the .5 is a tour of duty ticket here is a link to the www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24417487

I don't think changing the currency is necessary so sry downvote

Using old threads does not help to prove that 0.5 key is current trading point. I doubt that

people are using a single post for months but updating it. some of the comments on their post show that they are being sold currently also.

This is not an objective way to track latest trends on market. If current trading point is 0.5keys, there should be no problems to find recent sales.

But the owner of the trade can update the trade, some people like to keep trades open for a while and keep all the bookmarks, and update their prices if needed. If its regularly bumped and updated its acceptable proof. Just because they don't make a new thread every week doesn't mean it's invalid

There is no means to identificate actual sales but with ones listed on selling thread. It is subjective and can be manipulated. We gather proof which can be checked. Using old threads is bad because you can't confirm timescale sales occurred.

As I said before, if general trend is really 0.5 keys, there will be no problems to find enough sales withing range. Please read what I said again. If there is no sufficient amount of recent sales from fresh thread, we cannot confirm price as a current, general trend.

ref seems better then key currency for TOD, sorry D:

Im sold like 80 (2 per key)

кто поменяет билет

It was started with :

"Changing currency to Key

ToD prices change proportionally with key prices. So it might be better to price them in keys."

Key is at shaky 13-13.33 so 0.5 keys offers flexibility.

That's true point. As I see, people still prefer to trade them over metal instead, so there might be a problem to achieve this goal.

In my opinion, items should be priced in what they are commonly sold. Whether or not this tracks with keys should be less important. It can be updated. More important to me is to set easily understandable prices that are commonly used.

These are ALL sellers for TOD tickets that are getting actively bumped (bumped in the last hour). Refined: 30. Key: 14. More than 2:1 in favor of refined. I think it should remain priced in refined.

Selling in refined only;

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24531836

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24329791

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24545720

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24534973

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24464617

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487139

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24517603

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24538145

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24039371

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24506224

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23803016

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23077072

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24519203

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828659

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17162597

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23789089

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24062963

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24440245

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24435606

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24545462

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24544741

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24536146

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24482411

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24395435

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24514218

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24539459

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24534761

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24545827

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24530574

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23993912

Selling in keys only:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24520256

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23363404

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24462627

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24193662

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24377244

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23455367

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23964493

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20962629

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23570253

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24504305

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24029655

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22698768

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24544177

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22936763

Selling for both:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24534690

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24545172

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24532387

We can't say the 'refined only sellers' don't accept keys. Some even mentioned in the trade that they accept keys also:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23993912

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17162597

If they have to trade only 1 ToD then they have to trade in ref only. If you look at their prices they are getting updated based on key price only. Like I said an unusual worth say 0.9 buds (just an example) will be traded in keys but still pricing them in buds will be better because their value is dependent on bud value.

ToD and key prices (in ref) are highly correlated. I don't know if there is any other item like this. That is the main reason I made this suggestion. I felt pricing in key would be more meaningful for such an item. But if you think it will confuse the users then you may close it.

I'm leaving this open for you to decide.

Well, the same argument goes for the key sellers. For the right price, they'd sell in refined. I'm just pointing out the primary listing in the trade. Primary trading points are in refined. Almost all the bots are trading in refined. There are pros and cons whatever way we do it.

Pros to pricing in refined:

- Most listings are in refined

- It's easy for people to calculate. They don't have to figure out what the price is in keys and then convert down to figure out what 0.45 keys or 0.5 keys is

Pros to pricing in keys:

- Ticket values tend to track in keys