Suggestion: Non-Craftable Tour of Duty Ticket at 0.45–0.5 keys

you can see that the price goes up as keys went up, when keys dropped tour of duty tickets dropped in refined price, tods have almost always sold for 0.4-0.5 keys depending on the refined-key price, but the majority of sales are at 0.5 keys, 0.4 keys is for the people who sell it for less in refined. its awkward to sell something for 0.4 keys so they sell for refined. these are directly linked to keys so they should be priced in keys and a lot of people sell them for keys.

0.45-0.5 keys would end up the middle at 6.33

i closed the last suggestion because of no proof at 0.4

Counter-Proof or feedback?

Good proof. Upvote! :)

We cannot force people to this range when actually people uses metal more than keys. We shall measure item by currency it is traded for. It does not matter at this point that it's unstable - it is what it's traded for and we should reflect that market trend in appropriate way.

0.45 still rounds to 0.5, this isnt needed

rounding? this is backpack.tf not math class

Actually rounding is done often in backpack.tf.

0.66 is a pretty big difference for this item, when a item sells for 6 refined should we just say oh lets round it to 6.66?

Agree, 0.05 keys make a lot of different.

Make the suggestion in refined

most sales are in keys

most sales are not in keys. Puddington has said this on the suggestion you're countering. Even though there are sales at these prices, it's not the majority of the market, which is what the price should reflect.

Just checked your proof, your proof is closer to .5 than .45, 6.33 is .48, 6.44 is .49

Downvoted for no proof to support .45

but just 0.5 keys forgets about all the people selling for less then 0.5 keys, the people selling for 0.45-0.49 shouldn't just be crossed out

Then price it as metal.... since you're pricing a item most often sold in metal as key prices, you're going to suffer due to rounding again and again

its most often sold at 2:1 ratio to keys. some people sell for ref, most people sell for keys

look at the proof, not just complain about rounding

It's a never ending nightmare, if you price in keys you wont have an accurate range since theres already a .5 key suggestion, and you don't want to price in metal :/

this is not accurate because there's a 0.5 key suggestion?

please reread what you wrote

I did, the .5 key suggestion is more correct, because you dont have a proper range.

You could price in metal, but you refuse to

tell me how i don't have a proper range? it includes the people who sell for slightly less then 0.5 keys( the classifieds mostly)

and includes most people who get 0.5 keys

You don't have any proof for 0.45.

i have 2 links on the suggestions for selling it for 6 refined

also a couple of buyers for 5 tods: 2 keys which is 0.4-0.45 keys

here's some more

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1175558 less then 0.4- outlier

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24488665 6 refined

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487974 6 refined

2 in suggestion

1 is a buyer http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24442139

1 quicksold in less than a day http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24504175

From your new proof

Young and for a strange http://bazaar.tf/trade/1175558

Quicksold unbumped http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24488665

Poorly bumped young http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487974

Still no proof...

because they don't bump it, it's not proof? if it i listed it as a unsold and it was unbumped it wouldn't be proof, but if its unbumped and selling for 0.45 keys it really doesn't matter

Items are less likely to sell if they arent bumped..... Trading 101

i know that, but it doesn't make it invalid

Yes it does, to maintain a continued viewship, trades must be bumped regularly, chances to sell are impactly heavily by not bumping. Many consider unbumped trades as poor proof

someone selling it for 6 refined is proof, just because it isn't bumped regularly, doesn't make him not sell it for 6 refined

I'm done with you. you're just repeating yourself

I wouldn't have to repeat myself if you didn't bother to think for a bit

It does make it invalid in cases like this (TOD). Not being bumped or extremely poor bumping = hardly anyone noticing your trade, close to no one.

How well a trade is bumped actually matters. If you have trade that has never been bumped then its not really considered as a proof, especially for a common tool like TOD.

Sorry to burst your bubble but...

Sellers that are selling/sold in refined metal (6.00 - 6.66 ref ) :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24460994

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24472683

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23993912

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24463000

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24171807

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24482560

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24489443

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24495039

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24482388

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24450508

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24463312

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24441262

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24478694

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24496864

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24495750

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24494893

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24495251

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24459832

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23803016

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24490047

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487139

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24474237

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828659

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23077072

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24488639

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24463933

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24494985

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24464617

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24493777

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24494035

As Puddington said :

"As someone who has attempted to sell these 2 for a key for over a year, I know that these do not sell at that price all that often compared to how many are sold at other prices. Perhaps 0.4-0.5 keys would be a better price, but I am still unsure whether a change to currency is needed. It is not that difficult to update the price of these in refined and keys do not crash all that often in refined, so there isn't really a pressing need for this change ."

still more trades for keys

0.5 keys:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24502132

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24498498

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24048215

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24497568

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1167240

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22698768

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24377244 0.6~ keys each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24029655

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22936763

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23246446

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23570253

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23964493

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18726537

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24306178

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24408342

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24342534

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24307352

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24441238

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24461281

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24455791

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22298527

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24462627

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24456251

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22394562

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17966798

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24286562

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20962629

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18224639

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24029655

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24455795

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24458741

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22698768

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23246446

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/15153370

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24435497

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24462176

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24018705

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24453404

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24048215

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24282564

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24437709

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24182924

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23444045

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24193662

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24414680

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19708871

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23816154

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24358618

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24430430

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23520501

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23323237

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24213548

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24217158

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24383710

new:

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1176236

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1176221

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1176134

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1173230

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1009553

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1175667

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1176309

http://bazaar.tf/trade/441258

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1174536

http://bazaar.tf/trade/687658

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1154198

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1138000

Many of your links aren't even 2 : 1 key or 0.5 keys. Quite a few of the links are dupes(double posted) as well.

mind pointing them out? i didn't say they were all 0.5, still more trades for keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24377244

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18726537

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24408342

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24342534

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24307352

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24441238

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24461281

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24455791

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22298527

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24435497

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24358618

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24430430

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23520501

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23323237

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24213548

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24217158

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24383710

i thought you meant dupes in the wall of links i gave you into your counter proof. yes i copied some from the initial links, to show you the comparison

There are dupe links but I don't really have the time to go over each one and compare then post the dupe links. x_x

Just gonna state a fact... (please no hate)

On the Mann co. store keys are $2.50 and tour of duty tickets are $1 so wouldn't half a key be a bit much? I know it has a lot to do with supply and demand what people are willing to pay but the pricing just seems kinda odd...

Keys sell for ~1.80 usd on paypal. This is more than enough honestly

Yeah I guess that is true...

Out of curiosity what do ToD's go for on paypal? Should be $0.90 or less right?

I have actually never seen people sell ToD on paypal ._.

Theres buyers at 75 cents, but ofc those are lowballers :/

$0.98

https://marketplace.tf/search?q=tour+of+duty

Interesting, doesn't seem like a very good deal though in terms of cash trades, only 2 cents cheaper than the in-game store. If I bought all 25 I'd only save 50 cents. :/

Edit: Actually only 1 cent cheaper, so even worse.

only 2 cents cheaper

only 1 cent cheaper

FTFY

Actually its about 6 cents cheaper, taking tax into account {and assuming the seller pays the paypal fee}.

Paypal prices are often lower, because there is risk involved, and you can get real life money on paypal, not steam money.

Well there is only 1 ToD seller on the outpost that accepts money, and they don't even list a price. :(

http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/236468618

Kind of strange if you ask me, I figured there would be much more competition.

gift wrap - 1.99 sells for 1 key

lime paint - 1.99 sells for 1 key

pink paint- 1.99 sells for 1 key

Good to know, guess I can save a bit of money buying paint/wrap/tod's and selling it than buying straight keys

quickbuyers at 0.5 keys suggests that anything lower than that is definitely a quicksell price

I totally agree that this should be the forever price, and only changed during christmas, or discount sales.

For many months now, TOD seems to keep this same pattern.

I'm gonna upvote. You can barely see anyone selling for refined.....

My comment in the other suggestion ----

In my opinion, items should be priced in what they are commonly sold. Whether or not this tracks with keys should be less important. It can be updated. More important to me is to set easily understandable prices that are commonly used.

These are ALL sellers for TOD tickets that are getting actively bumped (bumped in the last hour). Refined: 30. Key: 14. More than 2:1 in favor of refined. I think it should remain priced in refined.

Selling in refined only;

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24531836

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24329791

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24545720

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24534973

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24464617

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487139

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24517603

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24538145

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24039371

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24506224

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23803016

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23077072

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24519203

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23828659

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17162597

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23789089

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24062963

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24440245

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24435606

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24545462

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24544741

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24536146

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24482411

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24395435

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24514218

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24539459

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24534761

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24545827

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24530574

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23993912

Selling in keys only:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24520256

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23363404

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24462627

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24193662

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24377244

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23455367

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23964493

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20962629

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23570253

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24504305

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24029655

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22698768

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24544177

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22936763

Selling for both:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24534690

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24545172

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24532387

Polar you're cool and correct.

aha! I get it! "cool"

a lot of your refined links seem to be overpricing @ 7-7.66. It seems like most of the sales are for keys while people still put out trades for refined, I see it as, 60 people selling a bills for a bud, they obviously won't sell any. Then 40 sell for 4 keys, the price should be priced in keys then right? If there are more solds for keys then solds for refined, keys should be the price

Why not a range in refs? Anyways looks good.

should be priced in ref if the high end isn't a full key, and yes I read your thing

really not sure why people think 2 tickets for 1 key is hard to sell. 22 sold just today http://imgur.com/a/q2jEK

1 Key = 2.49

1 ToD Ticket = 0.99

2.49/10x4 = 0.996

ToD Tickets Should Be 0.4 Keys

No one is selling for less then 0.45 keys

Just a remarkably stupid way of pricing.

I sold 14 for 0.5 Key each today :p http://imgur.com/6EBbVvu http://imgur.com/LNIu4H9

Let's look at it this way. A small majority of people are selling TOD tickets differently than everybody else that trades TOD tickets. Which one do you get proof from? The Majority of the market. And 1 thing I don't understand is that you can't cut a key in half and trade it to one person and then the other half to another person. If you want TOD tickets to officially be currency from now on, you have to also get more proof. Downvote for me. I'm still open to my opinion being changed, though.

0.5 keys=2 tods:1 key

changing to keys won't make it a currency

most of the sales are from keys

3/5 of the sellers are in refined

sellers=/=sold so i base it off solds instead of people selling

I sold 3 tickets at 6.66 ref and i missed someone who also wanted it for 6.66 ref

Nice proof, but I'll have to downvote.

Using keys as the currency for something that's worth less than 1 key is highly impractical.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/54a23314b88d88cf6f8b47a2

Did I say "highly impractical"?

Yes.

Did I say "very impossible"?

No.

That has 1 key as the high end, your suggestion does not, must be priced in refs if one of the ends is not a full key

Downvote

Do you really need to just comlicate it further? Most new traders dont understand metal decimals as it is

most new traders don't understand anything

True,very true

Please stop suggesting this in keys.

As in the last suggestion, people buy these more frequently with metal, and you *usually* dont buy unusuals with TODs.

Because you don't buy unusuals with Todd it shouldn't be priced in keys.....

What are you saying?

Why is this thing still open? This should have been closed inmediately...

Anyway, you haven't any other proof? Because this is a very weak suggestion.

Because I didn't post any links whatsoever?

While yes, there are 2:1 solds for a key, the majority of the market sells for ref.

Eh, people who sell for ref sell pretty high 7+ refined

So ref doesn't get many sells

LOL this cannot be upvoted any further. I think the currency change seems to be well received.

http://imgur.com/a/YKLRH sales from 1/9 to today (and I was out of tradeable tickets for most of the 10th). Anybody that thinks 2:1 is a difficult selling price is delusional.

seens theres a lot of sales for this item, you need more proofs....also the buyers won't help you drop

its pretty fair tho, i won't vote corrently