Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 12.66 ref

Price Suggestion

~57.22 ref

253 votes up

146 votes down

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This suggestion was marked as bad evidence and closed Wed, 07 Jan 15 09:02:55 +0000 by neverclever.

There should always be enough evidence to back up the new proposed value. However, it appears that the evidence is not strong enough, or cherry-picked in a way that does not represent the actual market value of the item. Therefore, this suggestion has been closed.

Message left by moderator:

As others have pointed out, most of your links have not been bumped, and the ones below 12.66 are either sold or clearly underviewed.

Due to the way classifieds are stored, they are only good for supporting proof at best. It looks like, even during a "resting" time (i.e. most of the Americans being asleep), anything 13 and lower in the classifieds is getting picked up quite quickly.

Without better proof, current price looks fine.

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Comments

Eww, what is that thing dear?

Oh charles, it's a.. eww, it's a -mann co supply key-

12.66 refined :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24496095 - (12 refined)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24449339 - (12 refined)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24494424 - (12 refined)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24467945 - (12 refined)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24485828 - (12 refined)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24328217

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24437224 - (12.33 refined)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24435777 - (12 refined)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24498037 - (wants 12.66 in cosmetics)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24446726 - (12.33 refined)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487790

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487738

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24476003

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24484923

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24480022

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24478803

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24456519

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24469104 - (12.33 refined x8)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24456989 - (x8)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24458280

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24248221 - (12.00 refined, ghost trade, *sold*)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24434256

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24507834 - (x8)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487813 - (12.00 refined *thanks morgan*)

Unsolds 13-13.33 :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24499887

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24502022

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24501975

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487087

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24484505

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24501785

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24471784

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24503832

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24503791

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24450723

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24484010

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24454375

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24474522

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24499478

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24503324

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24505364

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24480562

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24490999

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24492093

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24490565

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24506710

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24506703

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24453780

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24504496

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24465332

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24503012

Classifieds :

Anything under 13 ref gets picked up pretty quickly, but 13 ref offers stay for hours.

12.00 refined every 10 or so minutes,

12.33 refined every 5-10 minutes,

12.66 refined every 5-10 minutes,

That's the stats I was able to make from my PoV,

It may vary depending what time you are viewing the classifieds.

** this is an observation, I don't even believe it will be consider as proof **

Extra proof - http://i.imgur.com/XCfFDTX.jpg

*Thanks to [UNL]Water_chip*

The market is confusing, it's filled with alot of

price manipulation bots and highballers.

dont h8, appreci8 (͠≖ ͜ʖ͠≖)

~(^･o･^)ﾉ”

More proof at 12.66 would be nice. Unsolds look good neutral for now! :D

Adding more, just got on outpost and found a 12.66 x8.

I'll be adding more for the hour I get, ^^

Cool, good to know I'll most likely be upvoting! :D

Don't. Click his links on 12.66 ref and you will find out why you shouldn't upvote.

All unbumped?

Yes, looks like cherry picked proof.

Like I stated before, I went on Outpost and found proof, no special treatment was given.

It's easy to accuse someone, I can easily say your being negative because you have 19 keys in your backpack,

Is it true? I don't know, most likely not, accusations are a strong thing, so as I said, I didn't give special pick the proof, I was able to find the proof under 15 min of searching aswell, not that it means anything, just saying, 12.66 and lower isn't rare.

You really think I care about that sir? See here : http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53f06e3b4cd7b8bd438b495e

12.66 is in fact extremely rare. I will say it one more time. All of your "12.66 ref" sellers are unbumped or never bumped, meaning they have never bumped their trade on front of the page and they also sold without a bump. I don't see any of them have keys they can actually sell for now.

Backpack.tf goes toward the most common trading point and right now the most common still seems to be the current range. 13.00 - 13.33 ref.

I never assumed you for wanting profit, I was just stating that it is really easy to make an accusation,

But i've seen low prices commonly, so I was inspired to write this suggestion,

If what you say is true, then if the suggestion is still open by tomorrow, and I don't see a 12-12.66 offer in less then 5 minutes, then I will personally lose the trade,

Until then, I am confident in this price and suggestion.

I appreciate the reply though, not everyone voices an opinion, so I respect that,

For now, i'll just sit back, and see what the future decides.

Alrighty, up to you.

I beg to differ, but, time will tell, I stand confident in my suggestion,

And the only thing that will change that is what I stated above.

You are suggesting that it is easy or available at 12.66 ref or the current market price is 12.66 ref which isn't true at all. All of your proof for 12.66 does not have any keys in their backpack at all. In fact, most of your 12.66 sellers are unbumped or never bumped and sold without a bump. No offense, but looks like cheery picked proof.

All I did was go on Outpost, and find people selling for 12.66 refined.

The rest of Outpost was filled with 13.33 sellers, which I put in the unsolds section, and 14+ refined sellers that think they can still sell keys for a old price.

I still stand by my statement, although right now it seems like the trading community is numb.

I will say it again... There is no such thing as "although right now it seems like the trading community is numb."

Please take a look at classified, not a single available below 13.00 ref

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/?item=Mann%20Co.%20Supply%20Crate%20Key&quality=6&tradable=1&craftable=1

I see one available at 12.00 refined,

And one available at 12.66 refined,

http://gyazo.com/f3eeeb098aa1f77255771d5db2f0852b

Like I stated before, I didn't state it as fact,

Either way, give it some time, I'm sure there will be more sellers at a lower price in a few hours.

12.00 ref seller is inactive.

12.66 ref seller is gone immediately.

Current market price isn't 12.66, I have been observing the market. Current price is fine.

I've observed the market aswell,

This suggestion was inspired by the low prices I saw last night,

Saw atleast one 12.00 refined, 3 or so 12.66, and some 12.33-12.55 in between,

The market also had some 12.66 earlier today, they must of sold.

I didn't find the proof out of thin air.

I've also seen a steady amount of 12.00-12.66 prices for the last 3 days, this is the first night I haven't seen any/as much,

There were 12.66 - 12.77 ref sellers 2 days ago but not anymore. The current market price changed back to 13.00 - 13.33 ref

About this, I do realized all those lower than 13 ref trades are offline or not accepting friend/trades at all, just keeping the "classified" up as long as possible to manipulate the price. Do you really think a key at lower than backpack.tf's price would reamin insold within the first minute the classified was published?

From your 12.66 ref seller list :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24496095 --> All sold out without a bump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24449339 --> None in stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24494424 --> Untradeable key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24467945 --> None in stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24485828 --> Selling for 13.00 ref not 12.66 ref Also, none in stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24328217 --> None in stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24437224 --> 1 left

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24435777 --> 2 left

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24498037 --> Selling for 13.00 ref not 12.66 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24446726 --> None in stock

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487790 --> Sold without a bump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487738 --> Sold without a bump

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24476003 --> Sold out

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24484923 --> Sold out

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24480022 --> Untradeable key

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24478803 --> Untradeable key

Out of almost all your links, only two seems to be okayish.

Hmm, call me ignorant if i'm wrong,

But how exactly are solds and no stocks bad?

Doesn't that indicate that the product was sold?

In which, I don't see how that's bad.

Also, keep in mind, when I put up the sellers, they were all at 12.66 or lower,

The 13.00 must of changed the notes, in which I am only now aware of.

Nothing I can do about the 13.00 now.

12.66 ref isn't available and classified proves my point, having none in stock only shows that 12.66 ref is not readily available. If there are/were constant seller at your suggested price, it would be a different scenario but at the moment I see no sign to show that 12.66 ref is available and easy to get.

UPVOTE! Proof looks solid.

Pretty sure you need more proof. Neutral.

Also, I'm surprised that a key suggestion hasn't had a single comment for 10 minutes.

heh, same,

I've compared the suggestion to other accepted ones, and the one I got accepted, I assumed this was enough proof, but I will definitely add more in the hour given.

It's only had 50 votes, I don't think many people are online, my selling of keys even slowed down for the night. lol

Agreed, wonder why everyone is so silent today..

It's a Tuesday night, people are probably tired out from today and yesterday, because for a majority they just got back from winter break. I also know that Tuesdays happen to have a lot of activities!

http://i.imgur.com/XCfFDTX.jpg more proof (° ͜ʖ°)

Classified doesn't look like that at all at the moment. When did you take the picture?

http://gyazo.com/ac9482e9d054669912673e842d74a0bb

There aren't any available below 13.00 ref at all.

I've seen something better then that a day back, I assume half of the trading community is resting, like I stated, the market for keys is confusing right now.

There is no such thing as "trading community is resting"

I didn't state it as proof, I simply said I assumed half the trading community was at rest, aka, not at their computers..

Extreme thanks, (^･u･^)

MORE PROOF HERE, LAD! http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487813#latest

~Added, thanks! (^･u･^)

every 4 seconds theres new comments

Alot of debate,

Either way, i'm just going to rest for now, it's late here,

Hopefully this suggestion takes a different turn, it's like the market used a cloak.

It seems to me that 13 is more common, at least for now, but I'm not too big on the key trading these days. I'll go newt for now and wait for more proof.

13.33 needs to be taken out of the range.

Someone needs to make one for 12.66-13.

Problem solved. Stop fighting.

Like the idea, but i'll stick with this suggestion until future notice.

I'll be the one to stop the fighting and go watch netflix.

Thanks, (^･u･^)

I have been thinking of suggesting 13.00 ref flat but market keeps going up and down, yesterday 13.00 ref almost vanished but its resurfacing at the moment again. From my point of view, it should be left as what it is at the moment unless there is really a big change.

People have suggested 12.66 - 13.00 few times and have been rejected because 12.66 ref is not commonly traded price. Price seems to be sticking to the current range at the moment.

I buy like 6 Key yesterday at 12.66 ! So UpVote ! Thx

13 ref is representing the market more, since 12.66 is still kinda quicksell.

Unfortunately downboat

Downboat. Right now anything under 13 is an instasell. I mean it. Someone posts on outpost or backpack, i get the alarm ringing here, and most of the time by the time I click there, add the metal, and the key to the offer, which takes roughly 20 seconds, it's alredy gone.

And most of your unsolds are selling a lot, so saying they are unsold is not really proving anything, as they might just didn't sell the ones listed in the offer.