Suggestion: Stormy Storm Hat of Cards at 29 keys

Price Suggestion

~19 keys

stormy

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previus suggestion:

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/549fd2e2b88d88d3308b4699 (accepted but whit wrong proof)

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/54a0683fb98d88b03d8b4814 (my own suggestion but this 1 has more and better proof)

SOLDS:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23843855 sold for a Sold for a Spec KE Aussie Black Box = 19 keys after overpay and a green fetti coupe disaster that is 13,8 keys (outdated)

proof for this sale that the accepted suggestion didnt had: http://i.imgur.com/LTye8rC.png

(he sold the coupe for 8 keys to a trade bot that are lowballers)

CALCULATION: (count buds as 15 beacouse they are rising)

19+13,8= 32.8 32.8/15=2.18 2.18x0.9(overpay in items)=1.96 1.96=~2 buds pure

how i got it? well you cant realy count it for a suggestion cuz i sold my max's hat for €10(=5keys) paysafe card and a cloud 9 honcho headgear but tnx to steam are items that are unboxed whit keys you bought not tradeble for a week.

cuz he unboxed the honcho headgear so he sad that he would give me a stormy storm add of cads if i would wait a week and sell it to him.

(i kind of got it for free :3) proof for the honcho headgear:

http://i.imgur.com/Z9aYSAV.png i cant show you proof of the paysafe card

history of honch: http://backpack.tf/item/3299829082

SELLERS:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21565017 diceclin a offer of 2 pure and 2 pure and 8 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24297755 my own trade

he tnx for voting and srry for bad english and tell me if there is anything wrong

Price manipulation :D

what price manipulation the sale price calculation is good

and if you say so what would link to that its a manipulation

First of all, what's wrong with what you have? You seemed to have avoided saying the Dread knot was gifted, nor did you get a mini for the gifted price. Also, you can't just say oh, well, NOW that buds are going up, meanwhile the sale was a month ago when they were going down, I'm gonna value them at 15 because that's what they're worth now. No. You can't do that. Also, your seller's 2 pure decline was 4 months ago which is beyond validation.

i used accectly the same sale as the suggestion that was accepted but if you look you see he had the wrong sales so his suggestion cant be better as mine cuz i am the only 1 whit the real sales so why accept his suugestion is my question

but treu i forgot to say it was gifted

You own this unusual!!!read the rules!!

it isnt my hat i dont have that hat i sold it for a misty skull liquid lid (also added the honcho)

This sale is an outlier my friend. If the price was outdated, this would be fine.

no cuz if you look at the last accepted suggestion you see that he used wrong sales whitout proof and i have the right proof

A simple chat with the seller, specifically the seller, isn't sufficient proof. There is no history of that dread knot hitting that players backpack, there is no proof of the dread knot hitting the guys backpack. There are no outpost trades with the hat in it, it's illegitimate proof. Technically you have no proof.

it isnt a dread knot and yes you can use a chat if i see that in many other suggestions

Coupe, whatever, they both eat shit. Anyway, a chat box is so manipulative. Especially since you cut off the bottom of the chat. Again, there is no proof of that hat hitting "Yo Mama's" backpack. There is no histories showing that hat entering that players backpack.

Also, you counter yourself with this screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/Z9aYSAV.png

that is to show that i didnt sold it for 22 keys and a unusual like in the other suggestion that was accepted

MORE PROOF OF THE SALE: http://i.imgur.com/9W3Qsfn.png?1

oke i understand BUT that accepted price suggestion sad it sold only for s.k aussie blackbox so they should change that right?

and i know that open sales dont count but just for extra information to show that 2 buds offers are diceclined

Doesn't matter if they're declined now, it's 4 months old. It shows nothing. Also, forgetting that you paid a max for the HoC AND C9 Honchos? Making the HoC worth around a bud? Technically, this shouldn't even have been priced in the first place. You have a sale at around ~30 keys and another at ~12 keys. You should just leave the price alone being that you claim you got the hat for free.

DUDE learn to read i sad i got 10 euro and the honcho for the max and the hoc if i would wait a week

and you right this hat shouldnt have a price but i cant come intact whit a bp.tf admin to show this to them

Learn to read? Are you kidding me? Learn who to write fluent English before you start telling people who can read and write English fluently. Also, me being able to read doesn't change rules or numbers. There is 1 sale at less than 10 keys since you got your 10 Euros, and another at around 30 keys being that a Specialized Killstreak Aussie Blackbox is worth ~22 and then the Coupe at ~8. Now since 22 + 8 = 30, do 30 x 0.9 = 27. You have a sale at 27 keys. Now, for your sale. Now lets get to your sale. Since your max was level 1 it is valued at 3 since 3.3 x .9 = 3. So, 3 - 2.3 = .7 Now .7 - ~5keys(~.4) = .3 buds. So, your these 2 sales would give the hat a range of .3 - 2 which would be instantly closed since their is no determination of which is an outlier. And if you wanna make it interesting, apply no overpay to the max. The range is still only .6 - 2 which would get closed for the same reason. Also, the thing about the admin part. One, they're Moderators, and two, they're not gonna remove a price from something simply because of 1 outlieing sale. If it's really worth the 2 buds you say it is, it will sell consecutively for 2 buds.

you cant count my sale cuz i didnt bought if for that and the max was clean the hoc was a extra i sold my max for the honcho and 10 euro

Are you serious? You just gave me a screenshot of the trade you made. You bought the hat. You made an exchange of 1 item for 2 items. It's a sale. You can call it whatever you want thought my friend.

uhg you still dont understand it?

i sold my max had for a €10 paysafe card and the honcho but he unboxed the honcho so i would need to wait a week until it was tradeble so he sad if i would wait a week i would get the hoc so i trade a week of waiting for the hoc clear?

but i see you got polar as frien maby you can ask him if he could add me so i can show that the first suggestion that was made was wrong cuz he is admin

It doesn't matter if you "got it for free" you traded him a max for the hat of cards and honchos, it's a sale. You can call it whatever you want, it doesn't matter. Again he's not an admin. There is a difference between admins and moderators. Please, learn that. It's like when someone calls a chef a cook.

nooooooo i didnt sold it for max it was a gift for waiting

You are one of the MOST stubborn people I've ever met. It doesn't matter what it was called, you made a trade right here: http://i.imgur.com/Z9aYSAV.png

It's your own fault for taking the hat in the same trade.

You may take this how you please. I'm not going to respond to this anymore since people always argue with me. Especially the ones I'm trying to help, like yourself. Also, most of them have NO experience with suggesting in the first place.

Also, I'm going to release anger before I part ways. You wanna know why it doesn't matter if it was a gift or not? Because then that means ANYBODY can say something in a trade was a gift and completely manipulate the price. That's why it doesn't mean jack shit if it was "a gift". Now get over the fact that you're wrong. Everybody is wrong sometimes. I know I'm wrong a lot, but I'm more then 100% confident I'm not wrong. Also, one last thing. Don't tell people to read. When you say that, especially with your level of an English skill it's probably one of the most disrespectful things I've seen from this damn community. It's basically saying you're illiterate and don't understand anything anybody says.

yes but did you read did you see why i got it? dont think so cuz you still think i got it for the max

but still do you also think that the accepted price suggestion was wrong?

wait if he wasnt suppose to take the hat at the same time because it was a gift... the guy was suppose to give him the hat first and than the real trade? your just asking to get scammed its stupid

ofcourse you cant be sure its true but when you look at the last price suggestion he also just says he sold it for an aussie black box... so that would mean that price suggestion is bulslhit aswell but it got accepted?

this hat cant be priced its that simple.

I know it can't be priced, I'm trying to explain it to this kid. But we aren't aloud to just remove the hat's price. And the gift thing, he can make the trade, then just give him the hat in a different trade. This kid is to thick to accept his mistakes.

i am not a kid and your only doing this crap cuz you 1 maby did the suggestion on your other account 2 the guy that made the last suggestion is on your friend list

What? He's a friend on my account because I held his unusual, and prevented him from getting scammed. Don't believe me? Go ask him and don't assume bullshit pal. If I made the suggestion on that account, I would've done all of them on that account. I wouldn't have split them pal. Also, when you talk to him you should pay attention to how he types, and then compare it to how I type. Go pin your bullshit on someone your own size.

that is why you spent so much time a in price suggestion like this cuz he is your friend

Yes, definitely simply because he's my friend. Definitely why. Want some proof I helped him? Well here you go. http://i.imgur.com/hzxe3Ou.png

Don't waste his time, cause his time is worth much more then you're ridiculous needs like this. And, please, keep disliking my comments! Makes me feel better. Haterz = feeling better.

yes i know it was your 2nd acc cuz you dont send that to random people

Lol, if I wanted, I can gladly prove you wrong if I wanted.

you got or gaved the items

if you got them for free would you look like a scammer

if oyu gaved them is it your sec acc

Or it's just the fact that someone trusts someone else? Ever think about that? I could prove you wrong by asking Toughsox, an outpost mod for ip address login's of this account and Nobunga's account and they'll be on opposite sides of the world. Then, you'll look like a dumbass in public.

Also, I wanna ask, why would I look like a scammer if I gave my second account a hat for nothing? I have a second account. It's not that account, but I have one.

yes but thats the whole point... this hat got priced by false/bullshit info yet it got accepted.

if he made the trade first 99% chance he wont trade you the gift for waiting and gifting first same shit he can just accept and move on.

moderator should just remove all this crap and unprice it..

sadly we all know allready that wont ever happen on this site

Ok, you both seem to be thinker then think or something. Let's say this. I sell my Spellbound Harmburg for 6 buds and a max. But, I go on and say the max was a gift so I really only got 6 buds. Meanwhile, I really got ~9 buds. I just manipulated the price, and it is now not worth the 9 buds I sold it for. Removing the price won't happen on this site because I'm pretty sure mods aren't aloud to just remove prices. If it's really worth 2 buds, then it will sell consecutively for 2 buds.

you just repeated what i allready said i understood and i get what hes trying to do... this doesnt make it fair and and if its worth 2 buds or what ever than it will sell for that BUT seeing as none of the trade have enough info this isnt fair and in my opinion a good reason to remove the price.

Ok, it seemed as if you were defending his shitty logic. Also, with his ohh you only gave the hat to that account and back again because it's your second account. I wonder if he knows what a broker is? Maybe he doesn't?

dont really care.. i can however understand how hes feeling and i cant say i blame him for trying

but to defend you... i would never level a 2nd account or waste that much time on it if you were using it like that

Need a mini for gifted coupe and spec ks black box

This is honestly most likely a outlier sale....

I don't even...