Suggestion: Non-Craftable Iron Bomber at 3 ref

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Non-Craftable Iron Bomber

Submitted Sat, 10 Jan 15 21:36:40 +0000 by ★ Sfro

53.96%

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3 ref

~0.08 ref

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982 votes down

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Wow such market

Was about time those thing got priced

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24494349 - 3 ref

u mad ~~doe~~ d0 ? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24643454 Quicksold at 2.33, suggesting the price should be above 2.33 for now

I understand keyboard failures

1 sale? That's it?

[EDIT] Wait, I was blind, it was the uncraftable one, which in case I understand.

Take a look at the size of the current market.

You mean "in which case" ? :P

But don't worry, for I shall forgive thou my son

A simple grammar mistake, PLEASE DON'T KILL ME

too late It is, and know it you do

Poor d0

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24539757

Huehue

GOD DAMN IT,

it was supposed to be a sneaky reference, you RUINED IT

declined 5 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24444708

As long as it is not sold, this is an invalid trade for a suggestion

I didn't write it down, but the only valid trade is d0's

if someone declines 5, thens its valid

Not when the seller is out of his mind and thinks it's as rare as a glitched item.

He's an idiot when it comes to uncraftable item collecting and honestly enrages me whenever I look at that post about him saying it's on the same tier as the hetman and cowl.

If I go off and try to sell an uncraftable Batter's Helm for 8 buds and will only take that, I would be laughed at for expecting such a price for something so common. It's the same case here. He's clueless about it's value and expects way more than what it is really worth, thus him turning away offers that are actually very valid.

Sure, someone was willing to pay 5 ref for it a week ago, but it isn't a valid sale.

why would you pay 10x more for an uncraft version of a unique weapon

To some people who are collectors having a uncraftable tag meants that the person spent real life money to buy it from the store. But to 90% of the people a uncraftable weapon isn't going to be easy to sell for that much money, ESSPECIALLY if there's only one person buying it who would actually be willing to pay that much for it. To most merchants though, even if the gun was priced at three hundred trillion refined it'd still be worthless to them if they couldn't find anyone interested in it who could afford it.

So a downvote for me on this Uncraft Iron Bomber Price suggestion. Just because 1 collector bid 3 refined for the iron bomber doesn't mean it should be worth that much (to the common man looking at backpack tf to value their items.). Unless there's a large number of other people willing to pay the same price for it as well. And in this case, there's hardly anyone even selling it, and the only other person i could find selling one (link: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24444708 ) is filled with people who are only making joke troll offers who for the most part aren't actually interested in buying the item at all.

Why would you downvote this, this is enough proof.

And this pricing is worth this much, because it sold for this much, marking a price for future collectors...

It's not really about what you or I think, it's about the proof

However since I do think uncraft should all be worth 0.05, as soon as I have proof to do it I will decrease its price, but for now this is the only valid sale to be found

Why even spam, it's just going to get warned by a moderator in a few minutes.

http://backpack.tf/rules

I will upvote this, but I am skeptical as you do own one

Can't wait for that 3 ref bump

http://backpack.tf/rules

One trade just doesn't feel like proof.

I know it can be on a small market, but still it feels like one trade could go for any price.

I'll upvote a suggestions if it has 2 trades, which are roughly the same price.

Well go find a second one then, there is none

It's not about what you think either: If all the gatherable and observable valid proof suggests it should be priced 3 ref, then there's not talking over it

why so much its a normel item i know its new but 3 ref it needs to be like any normel item 0.11

http://backpack.tf/rules

whats the point of it if its not craftble?i mean the matter is it can be useful in my craft or not!

http://backpack.tf/rules

you need more proof it isn't enough

http://backpack.tf/rules

I'm one of those uncraft weapon collectors, but I'm not going to vote on this.

A week or two back when the first uncrafts of the 3 new weapons surfaced and when the referenced proof was sold, I would have easily priced them at 3 ref.

By now the very few serious (and impatient :) uncraft weapon collectors seem to have what they need and things have quieted down considerably.

I have no proof, but I would guess the fair price to be somewhere between 1.33 and 2 ref.

Myself, I am still looking for an Iron Bomber and Quickiebomb launcher as I have a very specific taste that it must come from the original owner.

But even with that specific taste I doubt I would pay 3 ref. Since ppl will eventually get them as a Store Gift as well, more than collectors need will surface...

As I said, a week ago I would have voted yes. By now that price is already outdated, but that is just a feeling as almost no trades are done.

Yeah I know about you, since I tracked down a few uncraft collectors, but this has nothing to do with my suggestion ...

I am a collector too, and what I think its price should be really doesn't matter, as long as there is no proof for it

I totally understand what you are saying, and as a collector I totally know adn agree with it, but this is a post that belongs to the economy subforum, not a suggestion

What I wanted to say: I think we should wait a bit more to see where this is going... I just said it in so many words so that my thought process as to why makes sense. I just wanted to express my opinion that I can neither vote yes nor no at this time.

I think that is a comment that belongs here - I have no intention to ruin your suggestion :)

In contrast, the Panic Attack had two recent sales for it's suggestion (one of them my purchase).

Anyway, I am happy either way - accepted or not.

In my opinion, it should be at least 0.33 ref.

http://backpack.tf/rules

I don't think I broke any rules?

2. "Comments should be constructive"

Also there is a forum to talk about the tf2 economy, my suggestion is not a place for that

Current seller at 2.33 on OP. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24643454

Young and unbumped. Gotta see what happens

You shouldn't have posted it here, it sold without a bump

but it shows 3 ref might be a little too high and it seems that my range was too low. right now the evidence says 2.33-3

Nope, a quicksale prooves the price should be above 2.33 for now

Unfortunately I can't edit my suggestion anymore, but that is supportive proof

hence a range. not sure if the quicksell argument should be applied in this case: it's still a seller's market for this weapon

It's a rule, no matter the item if it quicksells it's not an exploitable main proof

really? that that rule is absolute is new to me. in this case there is only the two trades that we have. of course the item will sell quickly if the price is right.

how long should a trade be up before it's not a quicksell? the 3 ref was also sold within just a few hours.

I think the fact that sellers are willing to sell quickly shows that they don't expect the price to be high, even worse, they expect the price might drop fast... just my 2 cents ;)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24539757

and this trade has an offer of 2 ref now even though the seller asks for a whole lot more. shows what the demand side thinks and is willing to pay. I think that also reflects more the range of 2.33-3 than 3 flat or even more.

Buyers ask to buy for about 1ref: http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/237153150

Would it be so bad to re-suggest with a new range? I would do it...

Your 2.33 sold instantly, as it was created and sold within half an hour. And about "I think the fact that's ... just my 2 cents ;)", that's the exact opposite of what you're trying to imply. These are bought in store at 5 USD each, while all of the "worthless" uncrafts used to be bought as a cheap way to get P2P, and were bought for that instead of the weapon, creating an abundance of unwanted uncrafts.

Your other two links are completely irrelevant as I could just as easily put up a trade where I'm buying Doublecross Comms for 3 ref each. Would that show that it's a valid reason to lower it since the demand side isn't high? Absolutely not. Buyers and offers can not be used to create valid ranges unless they sell at that price.

Remember, uncraftable is not a downgrade to craftable and should not always be worth less.

Don't know where your wisdom about uncrafts is coming from, but that is what's irrelevant here.

Remember, this is not a commodity we are trying to price here. Offers and other factors are important too in such a case with so little "real" evidence.

Commodity or not, that is not the matter

The goal of backpack.tf is to show as exactly as possible what the most common trading point for a given item is, NOTHING else

Curly's point is that quicksales and offers don't really go into showing an accurate price, since anyone can decide to open a trade asking 1337 golden frying pans for a crate, still doesn't mean that's the most common trading point

Who is to say that if a trade took 5 hours it's not a quicksell and 30 minutes is? Maybe that was just a coincidence because the seller actually knew what the fair price is and one of the buyers interested happened to notice it quickly?

In fact, I am convinced that is far more likely here than a "quicksell" like you have with unusuals or other high price items.

The 3ref sale was auction style and the other a fixed price... so in that sense you can say both have sold fast.

Looking at offers is a valid way to get a sense of the trading point when you don't have a lot of actual trading points. There have been plenty of suggestions made here where that was a factor.

But we do have 3 actual trading points now. You may see 2 of them as invalid, I don't. Guess we'll see...

Yes, my knowledge of how an item quality is completely irrelevant in a discussion about said item quality.

Item offers mean jack shit when it comes to pricing an item unless that offer actually sells.

You provided an obvious quicksale at 2.33, which cannot be used at all. The closest thing we have to a valid sale is the 3 ref, and while it did sell quickly, we have no other valid proof to base this upon. Do I think the current suggested price is right? It seems a bit low for what has been provided, and while 5 ref may be it's more accurate price, this site doesn't treat offers that don't sell as valid.

And if you want to know about my uncraft knowledge, I used to purchase loads of uncraftable weapons for a collection, and I currently own a UC Cowl along with previously owning a UC Hetman's. http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198062674325

Yup quicksales are not easy to exploit, even though in this case it might mean the price should be above 2.33 ref

Oh, the price should be above 2.33 easily as it is now. The question is if that 3 ref is too low considering there are offers higher, but just are not valid since the seller is insane.

I don't follow. I didn't say anything about the item quality. And I meant your oracle like wisdom about why ppl supposedly buy weapons from the store.

I like my (almost complete) uncraft weapon collection as much as the next, but I don't care what it is worth and it doesn't matter if I did.

We are trying to find the market price and not some obscure notion you have what it should be worth. Suggesting 5ref shows you didn't get the concept...

Look at the trades we have, look at the buying offers in context and you have a much better clue...

Thanks for the additional proof, though

why should it get to 3 ref?. i think that is way to much but ok i still thing it will get to 0,5 ref any way so. just an good advice if you hav one sell it fast

ok?

http://backpack.tf/rules

I bought mine for 2 ref.

http://i.imgur.com/HJ7vG9j.png

http://i.imgur.com/1TRuiDS.png

Thanks for the additional proof, but this is most likely a quicksale or an outlier, since 2.33 sold without a single bump

I claim that 3ref might be an outlier just as much. With only 3 trades known, and the 3rd pretty much right in the middle(2.33), I support the 2-3 ref counter suggestion.

This Is Trust A Stats Weapon Is Not A Reskin The Price Have To Be 0.11 Like Other Stats Weapon