Suggestion: Reinforced Robot Emotion Detector at 0.05–0.11 ref

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~0.08 ref

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This suggestion was accepted Fri, 23 Jan 15 13:25:12 +0000 by A Distinctive Lack of Vincent.

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Inb4WhiteBeltBlindVote

Year old suggestion, lets update!

Common posting point for these is a scrap each, however the massive amount of unsolds beg a price change. Most listings for 0.11 are from people using a bp.tf pricecheck. Considering 0.05 is a common trading point, I feel it should be added.

Thanks Kabu for the idea and legwork. I will flesh this out over time to bolster my claim that 0.05 should be in the range. It is a common trading point for reinforced; it simply doesn’t get the publicity as 0.11. Afterall, 0.11 prices won’t sell and stay up there forever

Hard to find active sellers for proof because I buy them out as they pop up. Here are some screen shots of past transactions.

Solds at 0.05: (I got lazy after 50 screen shots. This only goes back to December 25)

http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/HomeGrownMedicinal/library/Proof

Details about 40 transactions, several bulk-sale.

Sellers at 0.05:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24125573 All 3

Unsolds at 0.11 (tons more, I’ll flesh this out as needed)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24488330 1 week 100+ reinforced in stock, >10 battleworn, indicates BW price OK, reinf price not

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24685427 - 2 Days, only sold 7 reinforced compared to 250+ battleworn

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24569694 - 6 days (17 in stock)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24365580 - 2 weeks (48 in stock)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24287090 - 3 weeks (4 in stock)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23845085 - 1 month

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23916382 - 1 month (+70 in stock)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24105499 - 1 month (108 in stock, bot)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23513193 - 2 months (5 in stock)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23607968 - 2 months (23 in stock)

Supporting proof: A LOT of the sellers at 0.11 are simply resellers, buying their parts for 0.05, indicating that this is a price at which people commonly trade at.

http://backpack.tf/classifieds?item=reinforced

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24732839 0.05 reinf

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24632541 0.075

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22955858 0.075

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23852802 0.066 OR 0.05 post not clear

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/17014099 0.05

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24700806 0.05

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24125573 0.05, unlimited seller (gets from market)

It's very easy to find a buyer at 0.11 ref, and that's why I'm downvoting. Sorry, 1 seller is not enough

At the risk of sounding stereotypical, could you provide some proof to back that up? I looked but I could only find one person paying a scrap each.

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24715993[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24724213[/url]

[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24460879[/url]

Ok, thanks.

" BP.tf " prices is hardly proof. I am adding these 4 to check into your counter proof.

The first guy doesnt designate a price, neither is he buying anymore (added him to check)

The second guy is buying only 3 of them, not much support towards 0.05 as not being a common trading point

The third guy is paying 1 scrap per THREE ( 0.03 )

The fourth guy is another "bp.tf" pricer

'backpack.tf price' = .11 ref

Assumption

Whoops

1st sentence

Yes, and i added the both of them. One is not even buying anything

And you know what they say when you assume... ;)

Fourth buyer is unresponsive and logged off without saying anything after 30 minutes and repeated inquiry. Seems very disinterested in buying at bp.tf as he advertises.

In the end you are left with one person buying 3 parts for a scrap each, a paltry amount to define the entire market.

Did you even look into my suggestion? I have a photobucket with about 40 sellers. Why would sellers remain open when i buy their entire stock out?

Also, please link me to whomever buys for a scrap each. I would make a pretty penny.

I did look into your suggestion, and sales at 0.05 ref are okay, don't help much. But 1 seller is far from enough for a robot part, and so I downvote

How do sales not help much? That seller i listed won't be a seller once i buy all his parts.

Sales and sellers are the same, no?

Sales don't tell us if they're quicksells, or valid proof, therefore we don't use them for dropping a price.

I see. This seems like an inconsistency in the price vote system.

Quicksells or not, they are proof for 0.05 as being in the range. We are pricing the common trading points.

The fact that i posted ~ 40 trades, and have dozens more stretching back months (this is only up to dec 25, in december alone i have at least 100 transactions) belies the idea that they are quicksells.

Yes, but that does not prove that 0.05 ref is a quicksell, which it is. (as seen by many 0.05 ref buyers)

Just because I may buy 100 bill's for 2 keys doesn't mean 2 keys isn't a quicksell price

Please use arguments that are comparable.

If only 108 bills are sold, and 100 of them for 2 keys, then yes, 2 keys ought to be in the range.

But they're quicksales, and we can't include them.

That would mean whoever bought those 100 bills would have an agenda to keep sticker price high, and is price manipulating by not reporting his sales. Sounds like you yourself have an agenda, with your staunch, but empty, defense of the current price.

Again, is BP.TF not a price guide to show the common trading point of an item? The volumes posted beg a range.

For all your words, I still have not seen valid counter proof to keep 0.05 out of the range. If someone comes along with screenies buying hundreds at a scrap each, or a seller with proof of solds at a scrap each outweighing the numbers i've thrown up I have no problem admitting defeat. Take note however, this still doesnt discredit 0.05 being in the range unless volumes at 0.11 FAR outweigh volumes at 0.05.

The point of bp.tf price guide is to denote the common trading point of items.

If more are being traded at 0.05 than at 0.11, then 0.05 ought to be in the range.

gotta love the nick 'Styolites_Buying_Robot_Parts'

Who better to price than someone with intimate knowledge of the market? :P

I'm not hiding the fact that I buy parts. In fact my suggestion's main proof for 0.05 sellers are my past trades. Just would like the bible.tf price reflect what they are actually being traded at.

mhm...other might call that manipulation

If you are down-voting based on my name... I dont know what to say to even counter that.

Check out my proof. Check out the market.

Any seller selling at 0.11 has a ton of stock compared to their battleworn stock, reflecting a need for a price change.

Plus, isnt the requirement for a drop in price proof of sellers / solds, of which i have?

as 'someone with intimate knowledge of the market' you should know that battleworn sells for 0.33, so i dont see your point. also, your proof has been demoted and countered above. and lastly, robot parts is quite a big market, yet you're showing just a handful of (most likely restocking) traders

Let me pick apart your response here.

Battleworns as 0.33, how does this have any bearing herein? In fact, if you apply 0.33 across the board for my proof involving both reinforced and battleworn, reinforced are bought for even LESS. And yes, i know BW are 0.33.

The counter proof has been destroyed. Three of the links are invalid, and the fourth is 3 parts. You dont want to define the market by ~ 500+ parts from my proof, but will readily accept a buyer picking up 3 of em?

As far as my proof, its mainly from people i pick up from outpost / backpack.tf, and then they continue to sell to me instead of re-posting. And even if it were 100% restockers, what does this matter? If people can buy from restockers for 0.05, logically it must be in the range.

I've also provided more proof to this suggestion than the reinforced bomb stabilizer suggestion had, which got accepted in a few hours.

The robot part market is indeed quite big. Im showing SOLDS and SELLERS for 0.05 in volumes that supersede any of the sellers at 0.11. Please show me sellers who have sold hundreds / thousands of reinforced for a scrap each, instead of a handful.

if there are buyers above your suggested price, your suggestion is inconsistent with the market. that's all there is to it.

There are none. Please show me buyers paying 0.16 and higher per reinforced part.

there are buyers at 0.11, which is above your 0.05.

let me put this another way: you stated "Hard to find active sellers for proof because I buy them out as they pop up." so, basically, if i want to buy at 0.05, i will not be able to do so, because you're buying it all. by all trade definitions, this makes 0.05 a quicksell

Empty words.

Show me buyers at 0.11 ? If you are referring to smarf, his links have all been invalidated save for 1, in which the person is buying a grand total of 3. His 3 at 0.11 pale in comparison to my 500+ at 0.05. Not enough to keep 0.05 out of the range; you need more buyers to make 0.11 a competitive selling point.

You're using my statement as an argument is faulty. I said its hard finding sellers (listings) at 0.05 for proof.

No where did i say finding sellers for 0.05 is hard. In fact, its quite easy. Approach any of those sellers at 0.11, offer to clear some inventory space by buying reinforced for a weapon each. I can provide proof for those transactions if needed.

I bought one today for 0.05 ref, and there are other listings for it