Suggestion: Strange Pomson 6000 at 12 ref

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Ok hopefully this will help

Quicksales

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24504379 11 Ref

Sales Which aren't quick sales

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24631644 12 Ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24480831 12.66 Ref

One of your unsolds sold, many are poorly bumped, and one of them is posted by a temp banned user who do not not even list a price.

The temp banned user was banned because of insulting another user which doesn't mean that his trades are closed and results in a 12 hour ban. It would help to point out which one is sold instead of leaving me guessing.

I think they are as well bumped as my trades are during a school week. And his price was 1 key which he was pushing on me when he wanted to use it and other items to buy my strange original.

You have to realize that sometimes items sell which are posted as unsolds in suggestions because time has passed from the creation of the suggestion and sometimes people look at suggestions to find extremely good deals.

More proof please. -_-

Buyer of 13.33: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24732992

PS:(This was first posted when Keys were 13-13.33)

Though the outpost was created 2 days ago, the price suggestion for keys was made 3 days ago, but accepted about a day ago. Because of a difference in time it is impossible to tell if the user changed his prices when the prices of keys changed, for all we know he could have been paying less.

You should really reconsider my proof, considering that the Sales i provided sold for less and it took a few days to sell, and you can't forget about the extremely old unsolds, which are fairly active.

Unless the rules have changed since last time I looked SCM does not count as valid proof and you need more than just unsolds to change a price. This item very well may need a drop in value (I am too lazy to check), but you probably want more actual sellers at 12 ref and successful buyers at 12 ref.

EDIT: Keys are being sold at 2.37 USD when I edited, Strange pomsons are being sold at 2.30. 0.07 USD is a very minor difference.

Support proof doesn't count AKA classifieds, SCM. but they are put under the category of Support Proof. Support proof can't be the only basis of creating the suggestion.

Considering the actual number of people selling this weapon, and the few without parts/killstreaks, it should be enough. I don't need sales for a drop.

EDIT:

Ref is currently priced at $0.16. So a profit of $1.99 is like 12.44 ref, based off the price of ref and not the price of keys

If you look at my edit, you can see your support proof is not really that supportive. SCM are very unstable in most cases, the pomson sells for 2.81 USD and then 0.15 USD a few days later. In the past few days, keys have made it as low 2.27 USD and as high as 2.49. The only fact you can really take from the SCM sales is that a strange pomson is worth roughly a key. Again, if you want to lower the value, find yourself some more buyers and sellers at 12 ref.

I edited the suggestion to showcase the differences between basing the sold price off of $2.50 key price and $0.16 ref price.

Your single 12 ref seller sold without a bump. Again, you are going to need a lot more than, dare I say, a single quicksale to lower a price. Again read my comments, your SCM is near meaningless. Also, bp.tf price for refined metal is PayPal. SCM prices are not. You are taking Valve tax off only the pomson, you do realize that keys are taxed too, correct?

EDIT: I did not capitalize an "I".

Dude, I didn't realize that it sold, it must have after the creation of this suggestion because I checked all backpacks for every link.

Also, paypal charges a user fee too and in some states a tax. And I adjusted the comparisons between 2 different scenarios I can do more to further explain my point.

Also, there is a difference between "support proof" and "proof" you should be able to find it somewhere.

Also, the moderators did allow for some people to make suggestions based on the SCM with less explanation then mine and they were accepted.

The point I am trying to make is even if you count your SCM proof, SCM does not conclude that the pomson is worth less than a key. The price on SCM in the past few days is still roughly a key.

EDIT: Thanks for using the "I disagree with you" button.

in the few days there have only been a few sold and have ranged from $2.36 - $0.15.

In the past day it ranges from $1.41 - $2.30 at the most recent sale.

So the average is a less then $2.30, but at 2.30 the seller would get $1.99.

Based on this the user profits was 12.44 ref, 10.66, or 11 Ref (based on price of ref, valve price of key, SCM price of key)

based on the actual profit each time it is less than 1 key. This is based on that the user can freely use the money to buy the items and that the user could buy a percentage on items.

Please, answer the question why are you taking off Valve tax. Too quote my other comment, "Valve tax is on all items including keys. You never see people saying that someone was willing to sell their key on SCM and only get 1.99 USD so keys should be dropped."

EDIT: Typo

Unbumped trade, if he bumps again I'll upvote

It sold without a bump.

What ?

Check the 12 ref seller's backpack http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198025559637. Bp.tf has been a little unstable, but if you can make it there with a current bp and not a cache you will not find the pomson you are looking for.

SCM, if you look at the item history you can tell. It might have sold on the scm though.

What makes you think that? I am just curious. I cannot come up with any situation where you know for sure who bought the pomson. Even if he sold it on the market, it still would be for around a key.

Whenever there is a double name usually implies that it was on the market. Also if sold on the market, Outpost cannot track it to it's new owner.

Since it was sold on the SCM in an unknown amount of time the user would have made around $1.99. Which is either 12.44 ref or 10.66 ref or at current key SCM price 11 Ref.

As I thought you have to assume it was SCM.

Why do you keep taking off Valve tax? Valve tax is on all items including keys. You never see people saying that someone was willing to sell their key on SCM and only get 1.99 USD so keys should be dropped.

It's extremely complicated. In short the price of key is determined by the price ref is sold for real money assuming that the price of keys is constant at 2.50 and anything else is just a quicksale.

This guide should help you understand http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=344497200

Or you can read my guide http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=340920832

They both explain how the price of keys are determined in different ways, but they basically say the same thing. Let me know If they help.

it is 1.99 because that is averagely how much the user profited and I based the comparisons on the price of which the user could buy the other items at the price of his profit.

Since he made ____ amount he can buy at current prices _____

But anyway I found some solds which are definitely not quick-sales to support my suggestion.

Oh and to the person who decided it was a good idea to dislike all of the comments please stop

How does key inflation have anything to do with my question? All I am asking is,"Why do you keep taking off Valve tax? Valve tax is on all items including keys. You never see people saying that someone was willing to sell their key on SCM and only get 1.99 USD so keys should be dropped."

Listen it's really complicated and through understanding inflation you should be able to grasp why.

In short

valve= infinite amount of keys perm price 2.50

ref = 0.16 currently

SCM key = 2.40, User profit = 2.09

2.09/0.16 = 13 ref (When more demand of ref)

2.40/0.16 = 15 ref (When more demand of keys)

Current price of keys 13.33 ref

Here's the thing. You said a "SCM sale is a real life money sale."

Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.

As someone who is an economist who studies currency, I am telling you, specifically, in economics, no one calls real life money sales SCM sales. If you want to be "using SCM sales as proof" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.

If you're saying "currency" you're referring to the liquid asset group of money like things that are taxed, which includes things from small shells, to Earbuds.

So your reasoning for calling a SCM sale the same as real life money sale is because random people "call the sales ones real life money?" Let's get craft hats and Bill's Hats in there, then, too.

Also, calling a currency SCM or real life is not how trading works. They're different. A SCM sale is a SCM and a member of the currency family. But that's not what you said. You said a SCM sale is a real life money sale, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the types of sales SCM sales, which means you would call trades, scrapbanking, and PayPal sells SCM sales, too. Which you said you don't.

It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

Yes, my terminology does get mixed up and in some cases is completely wrong but this is because I didn't pay for an education where I would actually learn the correct terminology and have the ability to keep them straight. Everything I know is either known by being based on inferences or personal experience or by looking a few things up.

Technically speaking wouldn't a SCM sale be a liquid currency considering you can still buy goods easily with that money, but only being restricted to items on steam itself. Also, in some states buying/ selling using the SCM is taxed. If you sell over 200 items you need to enter your tax information to steam.

Being in a virtual economy I use the term real money to convey the difference between metal (in game currency) and real currency to show that there is a difference between the two.

Technically speaking TF2 is more of a market than an economy considering there are no competing markets and you strictly buy items in the TF2 market. You can say there is the dota and cs:go markets, but they do not compete with each other, they are merely the creation of valve and can be put under the roof of a Valve market or their own markets respectively. So If we want to be nit picky you shouldn't call it an economy. Personally I would call it a hybrid economy market

There are many technicalities but since there is no steam fee you cant call them SCM sales, though the items can be represented by a SCM price, it is the price which does not include the fees.

Whoosh! didnotgetthereference.vmf

Never thought I was stupid considering I made 6 buds out of nothing without any cash injections in a year, but your counter argument is definitely lacking and I hope that you actually have a reason for down voting.

Nice humblebrag bud. My bp topped 50 buds and I only ever put 5 USD on my account to get premium. Bought myself a sticky jumper for 0.37 cents.

nice, I think we bought the same weapon from the store.

You're* Learn to spell.

It is spelled correctly, the sentence he formed is grammatically incorrect with the use of "your" instead of "you're".

._. stop. No.

Several sales >12 ref have happened from links provided throughout this suggestion, including at 12.66 ref and 13.33 ref. Honestly, 12 ref does seem a quicksell. Your first link was never bumped and the other link at 12 sold in under a day.