Suggestion: Bill's Hat at 3 keys

Price Suggestion

Bill's Hat

Submitted Mon, 02 Feb 15 21:53:40 +0000 by ★ Niten

67.31%

3.2 keys

3 keys

~3.65 keys

2848 votes up

1383 votes down

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This suggestion was accepted Mon, 09 Feb 15 20:34:21 +0000 by polar.

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First Suggestion Who even needs the .2 <3

All of these are sellers at 3 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24907500

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24904570

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24869761

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24873666

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24860461

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24850515

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24923319

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24923519

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24921768

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24923109

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24920937

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24921356

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24903249

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24913883

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24905460

http://backpack.tf/u/76561198090669937

http://backpack.tf/u/76561198142520416 <---- Even painted

http://backpack.tf/u/76561198089664595

Unsolds at 3.2 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24921290

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24893624

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24804120

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24902753

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24902868

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24916441

Sellers at 3.1 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24906953

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24923644

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24914047

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24922174

wot, provide unsolds at 3.2 -_- not at 3keys, it counter yourself

EDIT : Change unsolds for seller at 3

ok I will in a sec please wait <3

A bunch are solds.

No, he needs unsolds at 3 as well as 3.2. Sellers = unsolds

So if 3 keys doesn't solds, why it should be priced 3 keys ! It's unlogicall

If people are willing to sell at 3, it should be priced at 3. If people are willing to sell at 3 as well as 3.2, but 3.2 doesn't sell, then it should be at 3. If 3 sellers are sold instantly, then it shouldn't be priced at 3. Nothing is unlogical, except your spelling of illogical. Although much of his proof has sold or is invalid.

i know your right in that concept but don't forget that people brought bills for 3.2 keys,it will be unfair to them,so as me,cause i have 1! there for it should be 3-3.2 (3 for buying,3.2 for selling!)

If there are sellers at 3 Keys, why anyone will buy it at 3.2 Keys?

The word's "illogical", you dip. It proves that people are willing to sell for less than the current price.

you fail to realize that sellers under the equilibrium will always exist, which will increase the demand.

that's the way of trading in a micro economy.

I recommend you to take introduction to micro/macro economy before making facts out of your own opinions.

Well, here's the thing. Once enough people sell for under your equilibrium, you have yourself a new price/range. Also, "microeconomics" is one word. I'd imagine you'd know that if you'd taken a course on it yourself.

price are determined by consumer sovereignty and not by the seller as you mentioned..

as we see there quite a lot of solds at 3 as well as 3.2.

also to consider that this sample of 28 bills cannot represent the entire market of bill's that are being sold.

as I said before you should take those courses instead of trying to explain an economy with your "positive statement".

After looking at most of the links it seems like too many of them were quick sellers.

If they aren't selling at 3 then they certainly won't be at 3.2... Although it would help to have them.

clicked 3 random links of yours: trade opened 5 days ago, bumped 5 days ago; opened 3 days ago bumped 2 days ago; opened 3 hours ago.

cherry picking poorly bumped and very young trades for an item valued at 3+ keys (which is likely to take a bit longer to sell because of its value), it's not the best way to suggest a price. just my 2 cents

your proof has 3 categories

a)quicksold http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24923319

b)unbumped http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24873666

c)young http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24923519

examples of each

The quicksold was just sold when I looked at it, it was open for trade

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24913883

quicksold and not bumped since

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24923109

quicksold

checking histories helps sometimes

OK, let me go through this.

Sellers at 3___

#1 was never bumped http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24907500

#2 was never bumped http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24904570

#3 was never bumped, but got an offer right away so it counts at a quicksell http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24869761

#4 was never bumped http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24873666

#5 was never bumped http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24860461

#6 was never bumped http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24850515

#7 was quicksold http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24923319

#8 is legit!!! http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24923519

#9 was quicksold http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24921768

#10 was never bumped http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24923109

#11 was quicksold http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24920937

#12 was never bumped http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24921356

#13 was sold http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24903249

#14 was never bumped http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24913883

#15 is also legit!!! http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24905460

and the classifieds...

#1 was sold http://backpack.tf/u/76561198090669937

#2 is no longer there? http://backpack.tf/u/76561198142520416

#3 sold. http://backpack.tf/u/76561198089664595

Sellers at 3.1___

#1 sold out http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24906953

#2 sold http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24923644

#3 sold http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24914047

#4 sold http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24922174

In this suggestion, you only have 2 valid pieces of proof...

I suggest adding some or closing the suggestion

Why is #13, the sold, invalid? It wasn't quicksold.

Oh yeah, it's valid, I guess

Ill take the .2 you dont need by making that suggestion.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24971005#latest < Maybe This Can Help You :) Sold For 3 Key

Some of the 3 key trades are not valid. Might want to recheck through them....

Now that I look at the 3 - 3.1 sellers again... Half of them were quicksellers and poorly bumped...

EDIT: Most of your "sellers" have became solds now so you might want to update that soon...

Pretty much all of these unsolds are either really young or poorly bumped

First of all, most of your 3 keys sellers are either poorly bumped (last bump 1+ days), or are young (<1 day old). Also, you need to prove that 3.2 keys does not sell in order to drop it to 3 keys flat.

Unsolds =\= never bumped

All of your sellers at 3 keys are either young or poorly bumped

Sorry a bit new to making price suggestions, Should I have just put sellers instead of unsolds?

You should have both.

You need unsolds to show that it doesn't sell at the current price,

you need sellers at a lower price to support the price you're suggesting.

This is for lowering the price only :3 Which is what you're doing here.

It's the same thing really but usually "sellers" is used to refer to trades asking for lower than the current range and "unsolds" are asking for the current price.

they are not the same thing, hence why there are 2 different words.

How clever of you to notice they are two different words. Unsolds and sellers the same thing, just at different prices. For this suggestion "unsolds" are sellers at the current price, and "sellers" are sellers below. Both are selling.

-_- Yes they are the same, but they refer to specific things:

"Unsolds" refer to trades at the current price.

"Sellers" generally refer to those who are selling for less than the current price.

Slight difference, but a difference none the less :3

Ahh alright. Should i just close this and wait till better and more proof?

Yus! It's happening! The bills hat is going down!!!

UPVOTE!

it wont go more down than 3 keys.

I see to many 3 key unsolds instead of solds. If someone sells at 3 keys doesn't mean the price is 3 keys. The buyer also has to buy the item to make it soild proof. Sorry, but downvote.

lolwut.

If they're selling at 3 keys it's proof.

Aaannnddd the downvote brigade is here.

Getting downvoted for correcting someone, thanks bp.tf

Look at everyone's stuff- almost every comment has a negative score, you shouldn't be sad for it in a currency suggestion :x

I saw one of the guys who was trying to sell it on the painted bill's hat that had some untrust in his backpack.tf profile. Plus I see some of them are not really bumped that well, so barely anyone will got pages and pages back to look at the bill's hat.

You should but chances are your not going to find too much proof since almost all of these are painted

Classifieds seem to support this drop upvote I guess?

Solds at 3.2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24898371

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24861900

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24878886

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24862441

Quicksold at 3.3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24937037

Should still be in the range. OR maybe it doesn't even need a drop :/

Is the reply button not working?

I quicksold a bunch at 3. They went fast.

Why the hate on the bills? Go suggest on metal or something else. It quicksells at 3

Why the hate on the bills? Go suggest on metal or something else. It quicksells at 3 downvote.

Common sense will answer your question.

Nice, he's rounding the price since it's in keys.

Bills have to go up and most of you links are not good

http://backpack.tf/classifieds/?item=Bill%27s%20Hat&quality=6&tradable=1&craftable=1

11x 3 keys

You should suggest a range 3-3.2 keys

Classifieds can only be used to show a trend in the price.

They can't be used to set a price.

I can't wait until the Bill's Hat is 1.33 ref.

Lol, keep dreaming xD

Nice proof you got there, upvoting. Also, I don't think it's necessary, but you can include "classifieds at current time" for even more "listed proof".

me personally i think it should just be 2 keys JUST SAYING

it would make sense wouldn't it i mean keys are now 15 refined soooooooo yah just removing the .2 in the 3.2 isn't really fair if everything else is going down by the twos and up by the ones. If that makes any sense

seriously? man theres people with bills hat that buyed them with overpay,it wont go to 2 keys.not now.not in this 6-8 months.

Its a bad idea...

Thanks to this suggestion I'm quickbuying and selling high. Thank you lowballer. Keep up the good work.

All these comments with negative scores.... :/

Either way, upvote

Kids trying to bring bills down again? Downvote. Not gonna work again. D0 wont let that happen again.

d0 isn't a moderator -_-

Everytime, there will be someone selling something for cheaper price, just to sell it faster. Downvote.

bp.tf gives 0 shits on the damage to the economy it might cause.

Suggestions reflect the price the market sells at.

Post your economy lecture in the forums.

never buy bills for 3 keys , buy 3.2 or 3.3!

People are selling them in mass at 3 keys so clearly the price should be updated.

The links say enough.

the price should be updated, but not at this one.

Evidence shows sales at 3.2, so a range should be made.

if you delete all sold you wont have enought proof.. down vote

a number of the links at 3.2 sold and all the links at 3 keys 1 ref sold as well

Here is one with a lot of stock and selling for 3 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24907981

A range is required IMO, 3-3.2 keys seems better. Some of the 3.2 sellers have sold within the time tat this has been up.

I'm torn inbetween on this. Loads of sellers for 3 keys but god damn 3 keys goes fast. I bought like 4 bills for PP then put them up for 3 keys each and they all went within 2 days.

Yup. It was recently raised to 3.2 as not so many were available for 3. Now this joker wants it for 3. Apparently he has a lot of .2's laying around since its irrelevant to him. I asked him to give all his .2 refs he has laying around. No reply yet. Same can be said about keys then. Who needs .22 why not 15 pure lmao. The idiocracy is real. Close this suggestion.

Got mine at 3 keys but saw lots of listings for painted ones (distinctive lack, team spirit, etc.) for 3 keys too

I wish one day the bills hat price will go up and the keys will go down.

People were making the same wish when keys were 6 ref bud

Have seen many sellers sell their painted bills for 3 keys. Its blatantly obvious of the drop due to the rise in keys. Have an upboat

Those are called panic sellers. Also bills were 3.5 when keys were almost 18 refs. So no thanks.

Panic sellers? I've had multiple adds of people willing to sell their painted bills for 3-3.2 in items or pure. even check classified...

Enjoy the cheap bills while this suggestion is still up

3 keys does appear to be the most common trade point now. A lot of the unsolds have closed their trades because they actually re-posted their bills at 3 keys in order to sell them. Some of them sold because they were painted.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24902753 - an item like a bills shouldn't be listed at 3.2 keys if it's sitting at 3.14 keys for a week

Also, as indicated in comments, there are mass sellers at 3 keys. This should be okay. If someone can provide more solid evidence that 3.2 keys is a common trade point, I'd be all for a range. But at this point I don't see enough for that. 3 keys seems the most common trade point.