Suggestion: Sunbeams Honcho's Headgear at 118.75–125 keys

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~212 keys

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Resuggesting as I realised that the Knifestorm Kabuto was duped and never had a mini-suggestion in the previous accepted suggestion.

Clean sales:

sold for knifestorm kabuto (9) + 6 keys pure (0.4) = ~ 9.4 buds:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23798580

Mini for kabuto:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24045356 - offered on a clean burning pickelhaube (10)

Sold for DBD TC (10):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23952890

Mini for TC:

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/54bdf927b88d8835698b4a6a

Offered on a stormy TC (outlier):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24148115

Duped Sales:

Sold for a duped hearts reggae (3.9) + duped scorching virtual reality (5.4) + CS:GO items worth 0.4 buds after overpay ~ 9.7 buds:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24799296

http://i.gyazo.com/8465aaeca3c633b70b829b32d1b73914.png (values extracted from SCM)

Mini for virtual reality:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23505887 - Sold with bills (0.2) for burning ze goggles (5.4) + SF knife (0.8) ~ 6 buds

Mini for duped reggae:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24160718 using offers as there isn't any valid sale

- Spellbound lid ~ 4.1

- Misty gonzilla + 1 bud ~ 4.3

- Stormy Stash ~ 4.5

Taking 4.3 buds.

Sold for duped PShadows harmburg (3.6) + clean hearts reggaelator (4.8) ~ 8.4 buds:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24082870

Mini for Harmburg:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24758163 - prof ks aussie scatter (4 buds)

Scatter:

USD 134

USD 136

USD 145

Average 55 keys (3.95 buds)

Mini for Reggaelator:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24577306 - 5 buds 5 keys (5.3)

Sales at ~ 6 (outlier), 8.4 (duped), 9.5, 9.7 (duped), 10.

Rounding up to 9.5-10 buds.

Lots of sales to support the suggested range. Upvote.

this range is correct, upvote

Just wanna clarify that atm of creating previous suggestion it appeared as a clean kabuto. The guy, in which bp a copy of this kabuto has appeared, seems to have a private bp: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198058387526

I'm a bit confused with it - has he made his bp public or it's just old cache and this kabuto is clean?

All the sellers were thinking that it's clean as well:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22951866

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24035347

My second point is what about other sales from my previous suggestion?

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23705730 - offered on p fetti rack ~4.5 + amaranthine swag ~4 = ~8.5

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23639415 - offered on burning grimm hat ~8.1

The kabuto was never clean. Either the owner of the other owner sold his or made his bp public, or backpack.tf did not manage to locate the duped one which led to other owner into thinking that it was clean. However, backpack.tf duped checker is never wrong from what ive seen. So once they state that a hat is duped, its 99.99% duped. Either way, you should've created a mini as well, the kabuto price was outdated even at the time of your suggestion.

About the other sales in your previous suggestion, all of them were already outdated at the time in which I made this suggestion 8 days ago except the Knifestorm Kabuto sale and the DBD TC sale. As I resuggested yesterday to fix the kabuto range, I decided to include the kabuto sale in as well even though it just past the 2 months mark.

Of course, without introducing a new sale into this suggestion, it will not be possible for me to suggest this. So i included the duped sale at 9.7 and the DBD TC sale (which is now updated) which was counted as an outlier in your suggestion. Due to the new kabuto mini, that sale supported my current range.

Kabuto price was fine atm of creating my suggestion.

Even mods say that dupe checker makes mistakes sometimes.

Those sales are still in <3 months range

Like I said, kabuto's price was already outdated when you made your suggestion:

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/53e92b284cd7b888238b48d3 - kabuto suggestion accepted August 13

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/54a2666fb88d88966f8b4937 - your honchos suggestion created December 30

Prices of unusuals more than 3 months old are considered to be outdated. Which means that the kabuto price was already outdated on November 14, and approximately 1.5 months outdated when you made the honchos suggestion.

So whether the dupe checker made a mistake or not, a mini should've been made for the kabuto at the time of your suggestion.

Just to prove that the kabuto is duped: http://steamcommunity.com//profiles/76561198058387526/inventory/

As for your last point:

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/

Sales older than 2 months old are not valid proof; this does not mean that they are not useful. Feel free to include them to provide supplemental proof. Just don't rely on them to set your range.

I love how you pick the quotes from the rules you need. I'll continue from the moment you stopped:

Exceptions: For very rare hats, if there have only been 1-2 sales in the last 3 months, a trade up to 3 months old is okay to use as proof to establish more data points. Keep in mind, new sales should take precedence over older ones.

Clean beams honchos is a pretty rare one on the market and doesn't have lots of sales.

Talking about buto, seems he made his bp public and it turned out to be duped since the last accepted suggestion for knifestorm buto was based on that one as well, fyi.

I love how you don't read what you pick from the rules as well.

Exceptions: For very rare hats, if there have only been 1-2 sales in the last 3 months, a trade up to 3 months old is okay to use as proof to establish more data points. Keep in mind, new sales should take precedence over older ones..

Read, "if there have only been 1-2 sales in the last 3 months". 5 CLEAN SALES took place in the last 3 months. Also, you yourself quote "new sales should take precedence over older ones", which was what I did. Here in this suggestion, I used 2 of the newer sales out of the 4 you provided in your suggestion, and backed it up with a duped sale within the range I suggested, as well as another duped sale to show that it can easily be sold in your previous suggested range.

Read what you quote, and understand the meaning of "very rare hats" before quoting it here.

I still don't know why you're talking about the kabuto at this point. The fact is that:

1. it's outdated at the time of your suggestion.

2. doesn't even affect the high end and low end of your range at that time.

3. you did not make a mini for it even though it was outdated and I'm just fixing it by making one.

I don't care when he made his bp public or whatever he did with his buto to make it appear duped, it isn't relevant at all in this suggestion as I've created the mini. The duped buto even sold higher than the current suggested price, showing how outdated it is. So its the end on the buto case for me as it's completely irrelevant to talk about it at this point.

Okay, as u wish. 5 clean sales.

Sale for Stormy TC - 9th Jan (not used anyway)

Sale for DBD TC - 30th Dec

Sale for knifestorm buto - 29th Nov (within 3 months old, but 2 months+ old)

Sale for rack + swag - 25th Nov ( within 3 months old, but not included for some weird reason)

Sale for burning grimme - 21st Nov ( within 3 months old, but not included for some weird reason)

So you deleted 2 out of 3 invalid sales according to your quotation and left only 1 you liked. That looks quite iffy, you know. According to your quotation of the rules, you have only 1 valid sale (which is within 2 months range), however, you include only some of the older sales.

Why not making it just 8-10? Because you own one?

That's cute, are you forgetting the fact that your suggestion passed with only 2 valid older sales? And I have 2 valid sales, not 1.

This is what you used:

~~Sale for DBD TC - 30th Dec~~

~~Sale for knifestorm buto - 29th Nov (within 3 months old, but 2 months+ old)~~

Sale for rack + swag - 25th Nov ( within 3 months old, but not included for some weird reason)

Sale for burning grimme - 21st Nov ( within 3 months old, but not included for some weird reason)

"if there have only been 1-2 sales in the last 3 months". - The purpose of this rule is the figure out your outliers, in which I've explain in my suggestion. The rules did not state 5 'valid' clean sales. The honcho's had 5 clean sales whether valid or not, it isn't classified as a 'very rare hat'.

The reason for not suggesting at 8-10 buds is simple, because unlike you who only focus so much on the clean sales, I actually took the liberty to check what the duped ones went for.

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/

If the hat you are pricing is gifted or duped, you cannot lower the value of its clean version based on its sale. Sales of duped hats can be used as adjuncts or as proof to raise the value on an unusual.

Duped sales:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24082870 - p.shadows + hearts reggae ~ 8.4 buds (within 2 months, higher than the midpoint of your range)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24799296 - reggae + vrh + cs.go ~ 9.7 buds (within 2 months)

Clean sales:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23952890 - DBD TC (10) within 2 months

I'll give you the benefit of doubt and throw out the Knifestorm sale at this point. So here I have 2 valid sales which fits in my range, and 1 duped sale at 8.4 buds to dislodge your suggested range completely.

new sales should take precedence over older ones.

All my sales are newer than the one you used to suggest your range at 8-8.5 buds. Bare in mind that you did not make a mini for the kabuto and count the TC as an outlier even though both sales were very much valid and decided to use the older sales instead to make your range. At that point, your suggestion was already incorrect. Why you ask?:

1. My duped sale at 8.4 is higher than your midpoint and more recent than the sales you used, showing that your range is already low.

2. I have 1 duped sale at 9.7 to support my range at 9.5-10 buds.

Also, since you insist on using this rule:

Bare in mind, the rules never said using 3 months old sale was compulsory, it's just okay to use if you think you do not have enough support for your range.

So I currently have 2 valid sales, 1 clean (10) and 1 duped (9.7) which is more than enough. Since you think that isn't enough, I'll walk through memory lane to find one that suits my range, I have these sales to choose from:

Sale for knifestorm buto - 29th Nov (within 3 months old, but 2 months+ old) ~ 9.5 buds

Sale for rack + swag - 25th Nov (within 3 months old) ~ 8.5 buds

Sale for burning grimme - 21st Nov (within 3 months old) ~ 8.1 buds

Oh hey, buto sale is close enough, let's take that.

What about the other 2 older sales you ask?

Duped sales which are more recent:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24082870 - p.shadows + hearts reggae ~ 8.4 buds (within 2 months, higher than the midpoint of your range)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24799296 - reggae + vrh + cs.go ~ 9.7 buds (within 2 months)

And

new sales should take precedence over older ones. - kabuto sale is newer isn't it?

And

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24534847 - only clean one in market. C/O sunbeams mining light (10-11, 9.5 buds after overpay)

So with the buto sale, I have 3 valid sales. Without the buto sale, I have 2 valid sales. You only used two in your previous suggestion, so I don't see how you have the right to complain about me not having enough sales.

And lastly, "Why not making it just 8-10? Because you own one?"

Because a gain of 1 bud in my bp of 260 buds will definitely give me a huge and large advantage in which I need to boost my trading career. Well, I can understand why you state that. If my backpack value was 16.9 buds, I would've argued about such things too.

I'm done stating my points unless someone can provide me a newer sale to counter-proof my suggestion instead of taking me down history channel. If you're not satisfied with what I've posted above, I'm sorry I don't have any other ways to make you understand further. Cheers.

It's just a bit of ridiculous to say 'kabuto sale is newer isn't it?' when the time gap between a sale for buto and a sale for rack+swag is 4 days, for example. The gap between sale for rack+swag and the grimm is 4 days as well, btw.

A sale for TC wasn't used because TC needed an update even though its price was fine atm of creating suggestion. What is even more important, it was used to price that damn TC here: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/54a24615ba8d8868028b46ee

And I was helping that guy with a 'mini' for honchos.

And hey, that sale for TC is used in TC suggestion. That's why I didn't include it, but you still do it, even after accepted suggestion for TC.

Regarding duped sales, I saw no reason in including it in proof since the sale at 8.4 was supporting the suggested range, when a sale at 9.7 has appeared a month after my suggestion.

P.S. I lold from you pointing out how rich you are compared to ~~others~~ me

I'm not even going to argue about the time gap. If you fail to understand what "new sales should take precedence over older ones" means, then I can't help you.

I like how you're constantly finding irrelevant stuffs to derail this suggestion, very well:

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/54a24615ba8d8868028b46ee wasn't even accepted because the honchos sale was too low, your argument is invalid.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/54bdf927b88d8835698b4a6a the honchos is not even used in the high end and low end of the TC suggestion. So I don't see why I can't use it here. Had it been part of the range of the TC suggestion, then I wouldn't use it.

You know how to say that the 9.7 buds suggestion appeared after a month of your suggestion, so why do you think I'm making this suggestion in the first place? Its because your price range is already outdated lol.

P.S. Oh, that's what you felt? Good for you.

Like I said, I'm done stating my points unless someone can provide me a newer sale to counter-proof my suggestion instead of taking me down history channel.

Just in case you want to continue going on about how the TC sale is invalid to use here, I have my own backup:

More honcho duped sales:

Offered on a duped burning ten gallon ~ 10 buds (seller's b/o):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24070869 - gallon

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24458921 - honchos

Mini for gallon:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24521037 - sold for clean c.moon tyrants (11.3 buds)

Offered on a duped Circling TF Logo TC ~ 10 buds:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24062968

Mini for duped TC:

Offered with 1 bud for Demonflame Modest ~ 10 buds:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24248594

Sold for duped Scorching Grenadiers (6.3) + SF RL (2.2) ~ 8.5 buds:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24414390

Mini for grenadiers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487446 - sold for Hearts Softcap + Planets rack + 19 keys ~ 7 buds

That's 2 extra sales at 10 buds. So yeah, my 10 buds high end is still valid, with or without the TC sale.

>You know how to say that the 9.7 buds suggestion appeared after a month of your suggestion, so why do you think I'm making this suggestion in the first place? Its because your price range is already outdated lol.

Basically, I have nothing against your suggestion in general. The price has changed within one month and I see no problem here.

I just don't like your offensive first statement of the suggestion and I was kinda hurt with that since I was 146% sure that buto was clean and I bet I provided enough arguments above to proof that I was mislead as well as many other people thinking it's clean.

Just let's stop at this point, proof is sufficient and I'm upvoting here.

I never intended to criticize you or anything via that statement. I placed it there just to inform voters on why I resuggested. I'm not blaming you for anything as you didn't know that it was duped when you made your suggestion. However, I'm also sure that the price of the clean kabuto was outdated at that time which is why I questioned on why you did not make a mini for it. Nevertheless, it does not affect anything, what's done is done, and talking about it at the moment will benefit neither of us.

I agree that we should stop arguing at this point. If I ever wrote anything here in which you find offensive to you, I offer you my apologies.

I apologise as well if I was too harsh or anything :3