Suggestion: Phosphorous Stout Shako at 32.5–40 keys

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~42 keys

phosphorous

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This suggestion was accepted Tue, 10 Feb 15 00:26:46 +0000 by A Delicious Cashew™.

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Maths is ~~best~~ bludgiest subject

Sale 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24827056 Sold for Peace Bucket Helm + '72 DFD

DFD and Bucket had no trade, presuming offered

X = 2.35*0.9 + 1.2*0.9

X = 3.2

Bucket http://backpack.tf/item/3336482250

DFD http://backpack.tf/item/3440659730

Shako http://backpack.tf/item/1660991207

Mini for Berliner

http://gyazo.com/3bbccee2519d2c88cedbd6bb61b5953f B/O of 15 keys on classifieds, using 15 (1.2)

Sale 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24321660 Sold for Blizz Slo-Poke

B/O for Shako was 3.5

Poke had a B/O of 3

Poke had significantly more views than Shako, Shako presuming offered

X = 2.8

Poke http://backpack.tf/item/3061631820

Shako http://backpack.tf/item/1660991207

Sale 3

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24094186 Sold for C. Heart Stuntman + 2 Bill's

B/O for Stuntman was 3

X = 2.5*0.9 + 0.4*0.9

X = 2.6

Stuntman http://backpack.tf/item/3058734886

Bill's http://backpack.tf/item/43728505 http://backpack.tf/item/282259241

Mini for Stuntman

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24487488 Sold for C. Heart Buckaroos + a bud

B/O for Buckaroos was 1.6

B/O for Stuntman was 2.5

X = 1.6*0.9 + 1

X = 2.4

Bud http://backpack.tf/item/196558210

Buckaroos http://backpack.tf/item/239275535

you can't just assume, horrible mistake you're making in several suggestions, if you don't know who offered on who, overpay MUST be applied.

No, you can use logical reasoning to determine if it was offered or not.

If a hat had a 10 view trade and was open for 5 minutes compared to a trade opened for 2 weeks + had 100 views, what hat would you be expected to be offered on the other?

eh that doesn't tell anything.

logical reasoning = I think = doesn't work here.

Experience does. I've made the 'logical reasoning' argument in several suggestions, and Polar employs it when reviewing suggestions on a regular basis.

whatever, it's just my opinion.

Which, by your logic, makes your standing invalid.

Seems you got hijacked. It's impossible for the magenta I know to make such a statement.

Though based on how you're looking to stir trouble, you're clearly still in possession of your account.

I'm pretty much agreeing to everything you are saying now tho. Except the belts=brains thing

I'm not saying belts = brains, I'm saying belts are suggestive of brains. Which, frankly, is an unassailable position.

You are questioning my logic that if a hat was traded w/ sweets/pure,no overpay should be applied,but you are fine with the assumption that the hat was offered since there were less views. I'm not saying that's bad,but you either do both or none or else you seem like a hypocrite.

I'm saying that blanket rules are stupid and that a situational awareness should be used.

Uh well yea,I agree. But I didn't really get that vibe from you on my remarks *wink* *wink*

Firstly, the fact that my response just above has -3 sadly demonstrates how easily led the vast majority of the bp.tf population are.

Second, blanket rules are stupid, but they have their place. In that suggestion by that orange belt we were bickering on, he clearly doesn't have the depth of understanding necessary to make this sort of decision. That's when blanket rules apply. For experience users, they're more... blanket suggestions

so you are implying that an a logical remark can be right/wrong , based on the one who said it... and that you'll just agree if it's a purple> belt and fight to death against it if it's made by a purple< guy.

that sums it up

Why are you starting up the already-dead flame war.

because i just woke up

' Read my argument against instead of lashing out like a child, please. '

the irony

Making the assumption based on logical factors is fine when being done by an experienced suggester. I would only apply the rule you're citing to those below purple belt.

Not saying this because I'm blue, saying it because it doesn't make sense. This is completely biased. People with many suggestions can have different logical thoughts than people with few suggestions. Logically you can't just say a hat was offered on another, if their isn't anything that shows it was offered, you shouldn't assume it was offered. But then again, you are right. Most likely if someone is more experienced with something than another, they have a higher possibility of being correct. I don't think placing a Belt rank on when you can let someone suggest logically is right at all, it's rather disrespectful.

I didn't mean to say people below that belt rank were incapable of making such a decision, I was just using it as when, on average, the experience kicks in for making that logical decision within a suggestion to be justifiable. Think of it like the age barrier on applying to be a moderator. Yes, the implication that only 18+ people can make sensible decisions may be insulting to people younger than that, but the barrier ensures that level of experience, and the 17 year-olds will eventually be applicable with diligence.

Yeah, I'm not saying the suggestion is wrong, nor is it completely correct. The only reason I'd agree with the suggestion is because personally, I've talked to Sugarcube over steam. Sugarcube has mentioned that if their is no outpost link, they usually don't apply overpay. This is the first time I've ever seen someone say something about it, but that's me personally. The thing I don't agree with is that there is an outpost link for the second sale, and it wasn't closed instantly after it was made.

With the second sale, that's a less black-and-white argument, but I'd still respect the judgement of an experienced suggester.

belts doesn't tell anything, quality is over quantity.

Read my argument against instead of lashing out like a child, please.

Quantity...? wut? Dis ain't no factory... or is it? 0.o

Literally a factory of suggestions, let's stop the off topic comments please.

Just a joke, gosh. I'm trying to help you, yet your hostile.

Wait, but in a factory now adays, quantity is most definitely over quality, why do you think you find yourself repeatedly buying stuff sometimes? Just off-topic input.

i was being sarcastic but whatever XD

I agree with mike, unless you can confirm that the item was offered, there is no reason to assume it was offered.

Are all these comments really necessary? If you want to have a flame war, do it privately. It looks good to me.