Suggestion: Non-Craftable Concheror at 1 ref

Price Suggestion

~0.22 ref

192 votes up

170 votes down

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This suggestion was accepted Thu, 19 Feb 15 06:02:43 +0000 by A Distinctive Lack of Vincent.

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I really don't think that last suggestion was correct.

Buyer for 1 refined:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24204922

No sellers on outpost for less than 1 refined, only 3 are on outpost. 1 sold for 1 refined ( http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24902432 ) and the other 2 on outpost are both part of sets.

The last suggestion was accepted less than an hour ago. You can't pass a new suggestion now unless you show there was missing proof like the last suggestion did.

This is more of a counter to the previous suggestion.

No, the previous suggestion was more of a counter to http://backpack.tf/vote/id/54cc1416b98d886f088b4692, which has the same price as this one. Therefore, this suggestion is trying to switch the price to one that was successfully countered already.

Ok, and if you have a problem with it, please ask polar what his opinion is as he was glad I believe I'm correct enough to create another suggestion.

I'm not sure if you noticed this, but he sorta put a comment on this suggestion explaining why the previous one passed. Pretty sure that's a polite way of telling you to close this before a mod does.

Mhm, but a private 20 minute coversation between me and polar should over ride that as he was perfectly fine with me creating the suggestion.

There. Asked him.

Edit: Congratulations, I have switched to neutral :P

It's a single buyer at 1 ref who showed he has had plenty of success buying at 0.66 ref. Felt there were enough sales happening for a rare item that 0.66 should be in the range.

Does this comment still accurately represent your opinion, or is it outdated after your conversation with Merndy The Meatwad?

This is my opinion. But mods aren't infallible. I'm more than happy to concede the argument based on community input. Another mod will look at this suggestion. It's okay to make counter-suggestions. That's the beauty of the site. If you feel a mod is wrong, you can just make a counter-suggestion and a different mod will have a look.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification!

What happened to the "you can't lower a price with boughts/buyers"? In that case, about 10-15 craft hats would all be 1 ref because of the amount of buyers at 1 ref.

What do you mean? What was lowered based on a buyer? Last suggestion was based on multiple people who were selling for 0.66 ref. Obviously they never saw his buyer trade at 1 ref. Otherwise those would be sales at 1 ref and not 0.66 ref.

He's trying to say that last suggestion there was no sellers. It was all sales.

I'm just saying that the last suggestion was a 'different' one... Most sellers at 0.66 were then sold to Curly very quickly for either 0.66 or (normally) 1 ref, as shown by their proof.

We are after common trade points for items. If there are 100 sales for an item at 0.66 and 1 at 1, it should be priced at 0.66. The time it takes to sell is relatively unimportant. If 0.66 is a common trade point - as was shown in the previous suggestion - it should be in the range. Now, if there is solid evidence that there are substantially MORE sales happening at 1 compared to 0.66, I would have no issue with 1 ref flat. I have not seen that yet.

That makes no sense, only for 1 reason that I've experienced myself. For nearly a year I believe, I was quick buying cosmetics. Based on what you just said, I could've lowered some of the items I've bought because I've bought ALOT of 1 item, and slim to none of the other. I was buying tons of ap-saps when they were 10 refined for 8 refined. I must've bought about 2 every day. Not even joking. But, based on what you said, I could have lowered the ap-sap to 8-10 refined with my sales alone? That just makes no sense to me.

Here is the difference between a true "quickbuyer" and regular sales that indicate market value. A true quickbuyer is someone who buys an item at such a low value that he / she is only able to acquire interested sellers occasionally. If a person has a quickbuyer trade and has so many interested sellers, it usually means that his trade is close to the market value of the item. Typically in those situations, profit traders will lower their buying price further. However, in this case, Curly is not a profit trader. He isn't lowering his price because he wants to get as many as he can for his collection as fast as he can. If it was so easy to buy ap-saps at 8 refined that more sales were happening at 8 ref compared to 10 ref, then the value was probably closer to 8 than 10.

When they went up, I raised my price to 8, and never changed it until I stopped buying as I don't want to quickbuy anymore. The more I got, the happier I was. It makes sense that people would lower their prices, but it also doesn't make sense. They're buying the items for a reason, like you said, to profit off of them. Personally, I wouldn't lower my price if I was constantly buying them, and constantly reselling them. Now, you're probably gonna ask/say wouldn't there be just as many sales at 10 refined as there were 8 refined if you keep reselling them? No, there aren't since I sold them for about a reclaimed lower than everyone else that was already a little lower than the market price. So, again, based on my sales alone, technically, I could have lowered the Ap-sap alone with my sales. Like we both agreed on in chat I believe we both said we had valid points, but I didn't say anything about the ap-sap thing.

The thing about this is that once I get my last 8, the market for these is going to die off as there is nobody actually buying these for 1 ref. How do I know this? There were still people selling for lower when I was buying for higher. A value of 1 ref would be inaccurate and overinflated as it is basing it off of what a collector would pay. Look at the previous suggestion for proof that you've blatantly ignored. If you're going to change the value of an item, include all valid information you possibly can. As someone who constantly is on the market for when these come up, I will tell you with certainty that me buying for 1 ref is stupidly high. If you can provide sales at 1 ref that don't go to me and don't take forever, then I'll admit the price may need changed. Until then, the current value reflects a larger market than what you're trying to show us here. The purpose of these suggestions is to provide an accurate price based upon the market for it as a whole, not to show what one buyer is willing to pay just to complete a collection. Unless the item is 1:1 or somewhere insanely low, there is no need to let one person control the market.

You keep saying people have been willing to sell for .66 yet I don't see anywhere anybody selling this thing for .66. I did not ignore the proof you had given. Things have been raised in value based on buyers alone, I see no problem valuing this at 1 refined. Valuing it lower than what someone is willing to buy it constantly for would make no sense what so ever. Sales at 1 refined going to others would be most likely impossible, being that you try to buy every single one you can get your hands on. I'm pretty sure the price of an item is to reflect what people are willing to pay for it, not what people are willing to sell it for.