Suggestion: Purple Energy Coupe D'isaster at 25 keys

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~45.5 keys

p.nrg

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Hello there, just going to attempt to update the price on this hat.

I bought this hat for a dirty orbiting fire hound dog and 9 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21165133

As you can see his buyout was 2 buds. At the time we made the deal the bud was worth 12-13 keys so the price I would have had to pay might have been between 24 to 26 keys. My hat was dirty so he only took it as 16 keys, that plus the 9 keys makes 25 keys. Another thing to note will be that this was what the hat was worth 9 months ago, the buds have simply been devalued thus creating a deceiving price.

As this is the only sale of this hat in the last three months and I am intending to keep it, I think I have complied to the rules about unusual submissions. Should you see anything wrong with this submission please tell me or create another one that will hopefully be accepted.

his bo was 2 buds so the sale must be capped at that

The buds were worth 12-13 keys when i made the deal

the suggestion to put buds was 9 days ago, this trade closed 4 days ago. buds were 12 keys, not 12.5

I said when i made the deal not when the trade was closed, I spent sometime getting the keys. You can check if i am telling the truth by seeing when my offer was made on the trade.

so it was an offer then? you price stuff based on trades, even if the offer was made before buds were 12, the trade was made after it.

anyways just close this.

We agreed on a buyout price, as you can see my offer was my hat plus 8 keys and In the end I had to buy it for my hat plus 9 keys.

yea a buyout of 2 buds....

I fail to see how my hat plus 9 keys at the time we made the buyout deal was anything less than two buds...

this should be priced in buds

Why? Other hats have been priced in keys. And the buds are no longer a reliable unit for pricing as they are constantly being depreciated.

because this sale isnt all-keys only, it included an unusual that's oudated

That unusual was priced in keys. If you bothered to look...

EDIT: The user above edited his post, please stop the unnecessary downvotes.

i edited. it's still outdated

If you care to look that unusual is still being sold for that many keys on the outpost. The price is still accurate

you realize you still need a mini for outdated unusual right? did you even read the guide?

Mini? I read a guide but it might not have been the guide that you were reading.

I care i was simply asking for the right guide.

nvm something's wrong with me

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/7-how-to-create-a-good-unusual-price-suggestion/

Thanks for the link to the guide :) I read the updated version that is linked on that page. http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/

this unusual didn't contain all keys in it, which is why a suggestion in buds would be more accurate

Why exactly? Both items i paid with (9 keys and an unusual that was priced on keys) are priced on keys.

because it contained 1 unusual + 9 keys, not 25 keys pure

I guess you are an advocate of updating the price everytime the bud goes down?

that's not how it works.

look m8 i'm a very experienced suggester with 771 accepted suggestions, i think i would know a thing or 2.

if you don't want to take my help, then you can just wait until this gets closed then

I just don't see why we should base the price of hats on buds which continually devalue themselves. Are we not aiming for a price sheet that is reliable to the current prices?

On top of other issues, this isn't the only recent sale.

http://backpack.tf/item/431244144

http://backpack.tf/item/296055664

Ah I see, what are the other problems with the suggestion?

the ones mentioned above

I think I have responded to the ones above and I have received no valid counter argument. Would you mind explaining?

they probably feel the same way. the problems haven't been discussed to a conculsion

Alrighty, would you like to wait until they have been discussed to conclusion before you do anything to the suggestion?

EDIT: Also apparently unless there are usable sales in the past 2 months a buyout can be used as proof for a price suggestion, and I paid the buyout price.

It's your duty to adjust the suggestion, and mine to outline issues.

Righto, what do you say about the other sales not being usable? As in we can find any data on them except that they took place?

Unless I don't know what i am talking about and the other sales are documented...

you can look at the history of the user's backpacks to determine which items were involved in the trade

alternatively you can directly contact them and ask for screenshots

Surely though to change the price we shouldn't have to go searching for every single trade that happened in a whole three month span? Other suggestions have been passed with less proof.

EDIT: The other hats if they haven't been sold on a major trading site then surely we shouldnt have to go and find if all 39 of them have changed hands in the last three months?

they only passed because other proof was not available. prices are determined by the common trading point of an item. If there are multiple trackable sales, then multiple must be tracked in order to reveal the average. It's VERY important that prices remain as accurate as possible, which means that you do indeed have to go to such lengths to ensure this.

Alright, thats fair. I suppose the others selling for that price or higher on the classified's bar dont count as evidence?

classifieds can only count as supporting evidence, and not as a main focus

Ok then, so I have to follow up on the two other trades which took place in january to find what they sold them for? If so please do not close the suggestion until I have done so and verified that my suggestion is off in its price as it will probably have negative repercussions to my account.

I'd advise you clkose the suggestion yourself, and reopen it after you chase up the other sales, as there's likely to be a range. if you close it yourself, you will get no negative rep

Oh ok, there is one person online who i will chase up first.

All the items I used in the trade, were priced on keys and the Idea is to create a price that wont be depreciated when the buds go down next, creating a price that is incorrect? Also if one was to price their hat on the bud to stop it devaluing then technically they would be missing out on the rise in buds as well that might lead to their hat being worth more so. This is definatley not what i am doing, I simply see that the bud is no longer a reliable measurement of unusual prices. Wouldn't you agree?