Suggestion: Amaranthine Executioner at 216–236.4 keys

Nah, wasn't a quicksale, I just got lucky. Happens sometimes. The Price for a clean one had recently been bumped down to 15 then too, 14 pure for a duped seems pretty hard to say it was a quicksale unless it insta-sold.

Best of luck with this suggestion! It would suck to have 3 hours of hard work go to waste.

Hmm, have you taken the time to read this before making that suggestion? http://backpack.tf/vote/id/54ddd026ba8d88b0608b4991

All the proof you looked for "3 hours" was there, with some additional proof for the duped Brainiac... nevermind, I just closed it after reading the comments here as I applied the double overpay too.

I also made a mistake on the Veil/Belt sale but with the 2 other sales I found on the Brainiac, you should find an estimation of 19.5 on the Braniac -> without double overpay, the range remains good.

Reluctantly upvoted...

Hooray! Finally, Amaranthine gets some attention!

Need any help with prices? I was also working to start pricing this effect, so I can lend an assistance if need be.

I'll be doing an Amaranthine train, you can join in if you want, lol

ALL ABOARD!

I don't understand how you people dedicate so much time to making suggestions.

Once you get really invested in making a suggestion it becomes very difficult to stop.

Lol yeah, pretty much. XD

Overpay was already applied on the H Moon Brainiac; no need to apply overpay again.

Same with the PE Belt. Your mini is already in pure, no need to apply another overpay.

No, i DO apply overpay.

Despite that stupid rule that Zcrab pushed on us, you ALWAYS apply overpay for hats regardless of circumstances (unless X was offered on it)

The point of overpay is to determine the pure value of an item. Why would you apply overpay on an item that was sold for 14 buds pure?

Edit: Alright. If you feel ~22 was too high for the duped H Moon Brainiac and the overpay was needed, sure. It also makes a better price range. Just justify the stacking overpay please.

Lol no, you don't apply overpay on hats priced from a pure sale.

It's a judgement call based on the experience of the suggester.

So maybe you should leave it to a suggester with some experience.

When the Exec was offered on the Hellfire Brainiac, that Brainiac had a B/O of 18. 20 is much more reasonable than 22 for the range, therefore.

Moreover, the highest pure The Harvest Brainiac got offered was 16. It's reasonable to assumed the overpay employed by both parties in the mini was higher than 10%, meaning when we apply 10% overpay the value is still inflated.

Read the rules again, you do not apply double overpay all the time unless you can justify it:

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-new-unusual-price-suggestion-guide-the-cheat-sheet/

The issue of double overpay

If you make suggestions long enough, you come across the situation where you have to make a mini for an outdated hat. Do you apply overpay in the mini and then again on the main suggestion? Doing so stacks overpay twice, so if all hats were traded 1:1, your final evaluation comes out to 81% of the original hat's value. What if you have to do a mini for the mini - now you get overpay stacked 3 times. And if all hats were traded 1:1, your final evaluation comes to 72% of the original value. This isn't right, and it doesn't capture the meaning of overpay. GENERALLY (though not always), it is best to apply overpay ONCE. When you apply it once, you are calculating the pure value of an item. Applying overpay again would be the equivalent of applying overpay on pure. This is not a black-and-white rule. I encourage you to use YOUR judgment. If after applying overpay on ANY item, you find that the value doesn't seem right, please use common sense and experience to guide your decision making about what is a more reasonable evaluation of the pure value of the items involved (i.e. if after double overpay, a hat is being evaluated at 13 pure when it gets offered 14 pure and sells in a day at 14 pure, you shouldn't take it less than 14)

Also, when an item sold for pure, you do not calculate overpay as the main purpose of calculating overpay is to find the pure value of an item. The One is right.

I can understand the double overpay thing but not applying overpay to a hat because that hat happened to sell for pure makes no sense. If a hat sold for a hat then it sold for a hat, why are we suddenly counting a hat as pure now? Are we supposed to be reading over old suggestion on hats we're using in a suggestion just to make sure that the other suggestion wasn't done entirely on pure sales?

Ideally, we would do away with the 10% rule entirely since it is archaic and not really accurate. But we can't because it would make suggesting completely prohibitive. I want to remind people that overpay is supposed to be the pure representation of an item. If a hat sells in 1 day at 14 pure, it shouldn't be valued at 12.6 pure. That's what he's doing here by applying overpay on the veil. If the veil sold for 14 pure in 2 weeks, then obviously overpay SHOULD be applied. Because it is clearly not the equivalent of pure.

If a suggester would actually go look at past suggestions and see what a hat sold for easily in pure / received in pure offers, I would always prefer that. When I or Woifi used to make suggestions, we would often "break" the guidelines by pointing to offers in pure. But we can't expect all suggesters to follow this on every suggestion. The workload would be prohibitive.

''This is not a black-and-white rule. I encourage you to use YOUR judgment. If after applying overpay on ANY item, you find that the value doesn't seem right, please use common sense and experience to guide your decision making about what is a more reasonable evaluation of the pure value of the items involved''

You're applying a not black-and-white black-and-white-ly and that is WRONG. Sugarcube has applied his common sense and reason here and that is FINE. Step back, his opinion is just as valid as yours, and this suggestion is just as valid as any other.

I never said his suggestion was wrong or neither did I say that his way of calculating overpay is wrong either. I was referring to his statement:

"...you ALWAYS apply overpay for hats regardless of circumstances"

I pointed out the rules because you do not ALWAYS apply overpay, and I did mention above that it was fine if he could justify it.

So if you're going to point out something obvious, I suggest you stay out of this instead of further clogging up this suggestion.

Despite the fact that you didn't need to quote that entire rule of text to call that out.

If you're going to make a point, try making that point? It helps.

If the veil sold in less than 1 day at 14 pure, why are you valuing it at less than 13? (14 * 0.9 is what you are valuing it here). I would probably go with something like ~18-21 here.