Suggestion: Anti-Freeze Counterfeit Billycock at 34.8–37.2 keys

Price Suggestion

~125 keys

anti-freeze

30 votes up

117 votes down

Related Suggestions

This suggestion was closed Sun, 01 Mar 15 17:01:05 +0000 by polar.

Comments can no longer be left on this suggestion.

Comments

Considering that the avg value for this unusual is 2.35 buds and Anti-Freeze, despite being an awesome effect, is only 2.65 buds, I think something should be changed. The evidence is as follows:

Sellers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25108409 (3 buds)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21637935 (4 buds)

Buyers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21637935 (2 buds pure plus Green BMOC and 4 keys)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21637935 (Cloud 9 Flamboyant ~ 3.3 buds)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21637935 (Burning Coupe ~ 3 buds)

Thanks for reading, and I hope you will support me in this change.

On that history http://backpack.tf/item/1649757540 , a sale occured on the 16th of January between "EdStar" & "Dr.Sluggy"

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198043529498?time=1421308800 -> http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198043529498?time=1421395200

KaW Phantom + AF Billycock sold for Bonzo Buckaroos (unpriced) + Aces Pencil + sweets

An additional piece of evidence, credit goes to ApothicЯ aka PetitCœur

I approximate the bonzo buckaroo to be 2 buds + as it is 1 of 1 on bptf and it is a pretty good effect

Please do not put credits on me.

I showed you how to find proof of sales with an example, to find the 12 other recent sales which occured on the 2 clean versions of the hat on OP.

This sale isn't a valid proof because a hat is unpriced and the 2 others involved are outdated.

Your opinion doesn't count for anything there. Please search for the other recent sales instead, that's your job there.

I sold mine for 2.4 pure - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24610031 - if that helps you make a suggestion

and recent sales?

Good question.

Unfortunately, there are no recent sales, but the buyers that I have listed have all stated their price after the previous price change

this is an unusual. you need sales no matter what.

No recent sales?

On OP, there are 3 of them -> 2 clean, 1 duped

When taking the 2 clean ones on the market

http://backpack.tf/item/1860627652 4 sales the last 2 months (actual owner is a friend of yours, coincidence?)

http://backpack.tf/item/1649757540 9 sales the last 2 months

If only you spent 5 min to look into it before saying lies...

I know, but how would you know how much they sold for?

Just check the histories of the backpacks (before/after the trades), go on the respective OP trades of the sellers, ask your friend "Destroyer S>6 Unusuals" the actual owner of one of them,...

The OP trades are long closed, and I'm not too sure how to check bp history. However, if you can uncover some new evidence, please do share it with me.

I'll just show you an example, that's your suggestion, not mine :

On that history http://backpack.tf/item/1649757540 , a sale occured on the 16th of January between "EdStar" & "Dr.Sluggy"

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198043529498?time=1421308800 -> http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198043529498?time=1421395200

KaW Phantom + AF Billycock sold for Bonzo Buckaroos (unpriced) + Aces Pencil + sweets

You could have found the offer on the OP trade http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24651420 (that's not the case here but it helps sometimes)

Well that one is too complex and involves an unpriced hat, but that's an example !

Good luck finding the 12 other recent sales

Thanks for that. Well, considering the bonzo effect is pretty high tier, I guess it could be valued at around 2 buds, perhaps even more as only 1 exists. This is speculation, and cannot be used as solid evidence, but it shows that the hat is worth abt 3 buds, which is what i suggested.

"Considering that the avg value for this unusual is 2.35 buds and Anti-Freeze, despite being an awesome effect, is only 2.65 buds, I think something should be changed. The evidence is as follows:"

best logic I've ever seen

I did provide evidence to my argument. If you wish to hate, please keep it to yourself. However, you are welcome to downvote if you wish.

seller,offer =/= sold.

need sold price.

Well, if a person offers, it means that the item is worth at least the offer price. If the seller refuses the offer, it could mean that the value of the item is even higher.

All the offers are no longer valid

offers are invalid as they can be retracted. even thought of that?

Well, there is always a grace period between a person offering and a person retracting. A person can't simply offer and then immediately retract. The offers are somewhat old, so the most likely reason why they retracted is because they have already sold their offer.

therefore the offer is invalid

I am sorry, but I don't get your argument. What makes the offer invalid? It was definitely valid once, and if the seller refuses to sell at that price, then thats up to him. However, it still means that that item is worth at least the offer given.

the item is only worth what it sells for

Okay, lets put it this way.

Assume that the second after the offer was posted, it was accepted by the seller. Would that make the evidence valid?

only if it actually sold for it, otherwise no

You didn't consider the fact that a person can dislike a hat/effect and therefore decline an offer.

Edit: Sometimes, people will decline 3rd gen effect offers even with overpay on the offer, but many people dislike 3rd gens.

However, the user hid his own post, which means that its the buyer retracting, not the seller rejecting

So that means McClane is right, saying "offers are invalid as they can be retracted. even thought of that?"

The BUYER retracted. The seller did not reject, therefore making offers INVALID on a suggestion.

u just countered urself u kno that?

"Well, there is always a grace period between a person offering and a person retracting. A person can't simply offer and then immediately retract. The offers are somewhat old, so the most likely reason why they retracted is because they have already sold their offer."

As I said, the person retracted because he sold the item. If he chose to post the offer in the first place, he must be willing to trade the item at first, making it a perfectly valid piece of evidence

the seller didn't reject.

u can come up with crazy ideas and stuff, but offers and b/o's cant be taken into suggestions.

Offers don't mean anything.

Valid evidence ONLY takes into account Sales/Buyers (for raising prices) and sellers (for dropping prices)

I perfectly understand that B/Os cannot be taken into considerations as sellers could highball, but they can be used as a vague guideline. However, I still believe that offers can be taken into consideration.

But to satisfy you, this is a trade that actually happened:

On that history http://backpack.tf/item/1649757540 , a sale occured on the 16th of January between "EdStar" & "Dr.Sluggy"

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198043529498?time=1421308800 -> http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198043529498?time=1421395200

KaW Phantom + AF Billycock sold for Bonzo Buckaroos (unpriced) + Aces Pencil + sweets

Then use that as ur proof for raising the price.

Although u will need to make a mini suggestion for the Bonzo buckaroo to make that a valid peice of evidence.

Seeing as you cannot change your range or edit your post, you will have to close this one a make a new one.

where does your range come from?

A approximation from the offers and B/Os that I have seen

offers and b/o's don't mean anything