Suggestion: Earbuds at 10 keys

Currencies are floated around the world. Example the USD can vary substantially in worth when compared against other currencies. The AUD now buys $0.71 USD. About 1 yeat ago it was worth $1.05 USD.

This is an unregulated market place. Buds are needed as a currency unit.

yes but why use such an unstable currency when we can use keys ? keys are so much more stable

Unless they bundle keys into bags (like gems) then they are impossible to use on larger unusual purchases. That's why we need buds as a currency.

It's also easier to calculate values based from keys to buds. It's simply genius.

Or do you want more people to trade their high tier unusuals for buds when they're at 5 keys?

The short answer is yes.

The longer answer is that when people are using keys as values in their trades you have to cross reference the bud value anyway. It is nigh impossible to trade 500 keys for a mid tier all class so buds are the only solution if the trader requires pure and not other unusuals.

Buds have their place as a currency.

It seems you don't understand my point.

Someone selling a hat for 500 keys will obviously accept 100 buds @ 5 keys. But if buds rise to 10 for example, he'll have to accept 50 buds. It doesn't matter what the price is, the seller won't lose.

People sold their hats for unusuals at the "suggested" price when buds were dropping. They obviously undersold their hats because when buds were 12, that hat was obviously more expensive.

Nothing changes, but it's more secure and stronger to have keys as main currency.

In your second line what you are saying is what I am saying. Buds are a currency. When a trader stops accepting them then they are no longer a currency.

Personally I agree with the concept that buds should not be used as a currency but until we have something like key bundles to replace them then they will always remain a form of currency and should be treated as such.

But that is exactly why they made the change for. Buds act as a bundle or "sack" for keys. And every time the buds rise or drop, the value of the "sack" gets adjusted automatically.

Simply put, it's better to set the price in keys rather than "sacks". Once the price in keys is set, you can trade as many "sacks" as needed.

It also prevents unusuals from dropping or going far to high in price. Someone who bought an unusual hat for 10 buds 2 months paid basically 120 keys for it, but a few days ago it was worth merely 50 keys.

Duffman's right - keys should be the main currency (i.e. used for pricing etc.), but buds could act as a higher-tier substitute.

why are they impossible to use ? do you not know how to use ctrl+f ?

When was the last time you added 500 keys to a trade? The trade window times out. Makes it nearly impossible to add that many keys. So keys are useless for large trades.

yeah, like you're going to be just randomly trading a 500key unusual, if you want to trade that kinda of pure then you should use trade offers

Not always. When I traded at a higher level than I do now I have done significant pure trades through trade windows. Depends on the trader.

well then what's the problem with keys ?

I accidentally overpaid 4 keys because it was near impossible to count correctly in the trade window. Decided from that day onwards to not do large pure purchases with keys.

so the problem is you ?

It would appear that you have never made any pure trades of significance or you would not have just said that.

Seems I'm dealing with ignorance.

no i have made plenty of pure trades with quite a few keys ( never owned a bud since I knew this was going to happen ), but i've always double checked and used ctrl+f when possible ( also making a mistake with buds would mean alot more then with keys since they're worth more ) , but even if we take into account the fact that it's harder to use keys for big pure purchases, it still seems that's not enough to rely on a form of currency that has been going down since the beginning and is now more unstable then ever.

I think we may have to agree to disagree on this.

Mind you buds are now selling at 11 keys it is getting into hugely profitable territory for me now to sell.

i'm not saying buds are going to crash again, i'm saying it's a bad idea to use them as currency, and unless they stabilize at 10k+ then people just wont use them as currency. but yeah the profit right now is crazy ( and risky ), so yeah good luck

This could be a dead cat bounce but I don't think so. I think it is more of a correction.

What I do suspect is that the market might over inflate to peak up around 18 keys per bud before settling at aound 13-14 keys.

It is a case of trying to pick near the top to sell.

Don't even bother with Misanthrope. He has no idea what he is talking about.

what ? that makes no sense

yeah I doubt it's going to reach 18 keys, max would probably be 15 k, simply because that's where people are going to start to sell quickly , because they're afraid it will crash again soon

Buds can still be used as a sub-currency as most promos like B.M.O.C.'s and Max's are (#ripbillz), but due to their catastrophic changes, whether it be natural or due to panic, they aren't the most effective at being a main currency.

I submit to the greater good.

YAY Keys!

May Gaben and Brad bless your soul.

But that's a 30 cent difference in a time span of one year. Buds went from 11 keys to 5 keys in ONE MONTH. Now it's skyrocketing again in a matter of days. In real world currencies, that would be change from ~$20 to ~$9 (with keys being $1.80 USD). That's a drop of $11 in just a month. Why would you base anything on a currency that volatile?

nah, this thing's unstable, always rising then falling in such a short time, proves that this shouldnt be currency for unusuals. you wouldnt want all your unusuals to be expensive 1 day then worth crap the other.

I couldn't have said it any better, you're 100% right :)

That's only true John if backpack totals mean anything to the person.

My argument centers around the fact that there isn't any other substitute for the bud currently available for those higher tier deals. Until there is it will remain a currency no matter what Brad Pitt and his crews says.

Buds may yet live again

i really really want that buds rise, but isnt there a cooldown rule?

Cooldown is only for currencies, buds aren't a currency anymore.

According to backpack.tf. The site that only reports, not decides....

Is it shady enough yet?

On another note, I'm glad I won't sell my pair

oohhhhhhhhhhh, maykes sence, will bp.tf bring them back as a currency?

Maybe, depends on the decisions of the mods/admins of bp.tf

Ask someone higher up about that.

Shizer the going price on SCM for a bud is roughly $21.50 USD

More sales at 10

http://outpost.gg/ts/ze9gpa.png Credit to Mrs Toughsox for the screenshots.

http://outpost.gg/ts/hn44dq.png

http://outpost.gg/ts/21sbzz.png

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25596289 Credits to V♦V♦R Buddy boy

http://prntscr.com/6pnlil credits to sintyhos

Buyers at 10 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25597137 Credits to ▶dweller◀

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25597526 Credits to Mr.Octopus

update!.

also man f men.. i just sold like 14 buds for 5 keys now thee rise.. rip me man

Lmao that sucks, have fun with 70 keys :^)

il try :c but liek it always hapens to me xD steam market a item for 1 year cost 20 it rise to 24 i sell 11 of it 1 week later 40 euro and still that after 4 more weeks rip me.. gabe dont like me even after over 300 crates no unusal

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25597526 - Buying earbuds for 10 keys each

Thanks man, ill add that below, since I cant edit the OP ;-;

No Problem :)

Welp, once this suggestion gets accepted I shall call my vote ;)

That seems fair, thanks :)

Anyway, good luck c:

Here is some extra proof, 3 bought at 9 keys each, and 1 bought at 10.

http://puu.sh/h1Qqw/84f237f25b.jpg

bought 2 for more than 17 keys together. there was a discount since i bought them as a couple. no way to find them for 8 keys anymore. here proof you may need http://i.imgur.com/YIcSBwj.png

If this is a sold 10 keys then why did you include buyers for 8...?

Uh, buyers at 8 show 8 should be taken out.

Ohh yeahh... forgot that part

R I G G E D

But seriously, when you start rising Buds' price, buyers hunt for quick deals before they go up again. When you do it third time a day, this makes no sense.

Don't blame me, the market changed fast.

TF2wh.com has been stripped of buds. No rigging dude. People sold too cheap and the market is correcting itself.

Smith was right after all, huh?

The same effect made the buds drop, so whynaut

HALLELUJAH!

I'm agree <3 the buds is a beautiful cosmetic amde by Apple California

You're a hero.

I'm getting so many adds by so many people talking to me about buds xD

Adds and comments.

Comments: http://gyazo.com/8925b98580ac8873f7a362437d290f1b

Lol 10 key buds are down to less than 1 page in backpack classifieds.

Get ready to resubmit in a couple of more hours.

Damn, these are going up so quickly, I should have bought some of those 5 key quicksells ;-;

upvote, maybe buds dont have to be currency but they can be still a neat piece of tf2 history with some value behind it

Oh you used the proof I commented in another suggestion, I feel so useful to the world <3

Heh, yeah I love to take proof, as I stated before, I can't find my own proof for the moment.

Thanks a bunch <3

Is there a cool down or is that not there anymore?

Cooldown are only for currencies, buds are no longer a currency.

Okay, But once they get to a certain price do they become currency again?

I'm not sure about that, you should ask someone more experienced than me about that kinda stuff xD

As far as I know it's all on BP admins, they can decide in any moment to make them a currency again (tho letting the market *partially* fix itself is the best idea)

Please no.

UPVOTE. More acc. vote atm.

People Bullying me for having buds when It was 5 keys IN YO FACES HAHA. Nice proof Upvote #BUDSSHALLRISE

same I said I have a feeling its going to go up in price

I'm majorly pissed that i missed the window of opportunity - I intended to wait till they reached their lowest, then buy em up, but i left it JUST too late. Buds had SO much tension built up in them, and now it;s being released. I expected this to take months to happen though. let's see if they actually do keep rising, and stabilize.

Btw, tf2outpost just got full of sellers 10-16 keys ea. Js, js....

Well I could put my unusual for sale for a million keys, doesn't make that unusual worth that much, it all matters for sales and buyers to raise an item.

Buds should stay a non-currency they are rising now because the relation between keys and buds is no longer something. You have my upvote #Buds_Never_Die

Yet you downvoted my last one :P

Upvoted all 3. Don't tell anyone I also got a chance to invest in Buds. MWAHAHAHAH!

Lol.

I see dat downvote: http://gyazo.com/ae6d33a6924ff8d1eff8ef376562e653

Supported you from the start http://prntscr.com/6pni1p

Ohhhhhhhh yeah. That was because you said you were closing it and Plaxorous told you to resuggest. But I did support your proof.

Lol think you downvoted the wrong suggestion xD

But thanks for supporting me <3

Lol Backpack.tf admins making buds go down. Then they buy them at 5 keys. Now they go up....

Sold a total of 9 sets in the last what, 90 minutes, all @ 10 keys each. This was way too easy of an upvote for me.

Thanks a bunch, screenshots would be great!

1,2 & 3 http://outpost.gg/ts/21sbzz.png

3,5 & 6 http://outpost.gg/ts/hn44dq.png

7,8 & 9 http://outpost.gg/ts/ze9gpa.png my husband made the SS's for me =)

Thanks a bunch! This helps a lot :D

Also, if you note my BP from this morning, it clearly shows 12 sets of buds http://outpost.gg/ts/dggfi5.png I only have 3 and 89 new keys (I let 1 set go for 9 keys and 19 refined because thats all he had)

I bought 3 @ 10 Keys from him XD

Him....is a HER !!! And, I will have my husband do the screenshot for you. =)

I sincerely apologize madam please forgive me.

Mam Im going to have to ask you to calm down or you will be put under arrest.

So rood cookie monster.

Dont worry about it Trash, my husband said he just added Cookie LOLOL

Cookie gonna regret what he said xDDD

He didnt. Ill add him. Been trying to get him to add me for ages. But you are still under arrest.

I doubt he will accept it, he rarely does. Just dont say I didnt warn you.....its nothing personal with him. =)

Found another man sold 5 buds for 10 keys each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25596289

Thanks a lot! I appreciate it :D

http://prntscr.com/6pnlil

i just bought 5 for 10 keys each

omg, thanks a bunch, this'll help even more :D

Some solds, 10 :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25594669

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25597526

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25596044 - quicksold multiple for 10 each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25596083

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25597903 - quicksold 5 buds for 9 each within ~15 mins.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25567437 - quicksold a bud within

Thanks a lot man I appreciate it :D

Buyer at 10 keys (x3)! http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25597137

Ooooo thanks, that also helps :D

gg buds. hopefully it will became a currency as well.

A bit steep of a rise to 10 keys. 8-10 would fit better.

Why would 8-10 work better if there are buyers at 8 and 9?

Because people are buying buds at 8 - 9 and people are selling for 10. Therefore in my opinion at least 8 - 10 is better.

Buyers buy for less to sell for more, so they aren't valid to make the low end of a range.

Sellers at 8-9 in Classies, again.

No idea what to think about this. It makes me regret not taking 150 buds for my pan

Those are all quicksells, and the 8 keys ones are gone, I tried getting 1 but was too late ;c

And classifieds are normally a quicksell place anyways.

its interesting how their was an accurate 6 key suggestion 2 hours before my accurate 7 key suggestion, and now 10 hours later an accurate 10 key suggestion!? upvote :3

Hue, market changed pretty fast :3

Thanks.

A lot of ppl selling for 9keys, 18refs, seems they dont need the rise of bud

try to boicot ur vote, but yet Upvote, nice proofs

Nice proof. Upvote.

I dont know how your last crazy 2 key rise got approved but here goes my attempt at a counter-proof:

15 people selling for 9 keys in classifieds

Selling for below 10:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25597897

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25598156

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25567437

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25598138

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25598334

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25598331

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25598275

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25598229

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25597903

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25598217

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25598071

That is some seriously bad counter-proof

All of them are young, except one, which has multiple adds, seems to be a restocker.

Most of them sold and have buyers.

There is another 10 classified sellers at 9 keys.

Pricing is not only about unsolds but also about availability at a certain price.

Here a few more sellers (I didn't bother for checking for an overlap because apparently you guys think the 9 keys offers are epic rare and sold out within seconds):

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25595008

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25600386

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25599645

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25599114

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25528495 (8.5)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25600555

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25592869

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25601609

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25599740

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25598128

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25599956

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25598229

I am not saying that you cannot sell them for 10 keys, I am saying your can VERY easily buy them for 9. Probably for 8 if you made your own trade but I am too lazy to go through these. This took me 5 minutes.

Links 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10 and 11 are already quicksold. (within 5 mins). Link 6 sold 2 already. Link 2 has raised his selling price.

They're all fresh links, and people are snatching buds for 9 each, becuase the most common price is currently 10 keys.

About the classfieds, out of 15 listings, all were quicksold during those 5-10 minuets, aside from 2 guys. (edit: now all are sold)

a few of those links are selling for 10 keys now

These guys don't like hearing anything about buds being what they are really worth.

Wow a lot of 9keys seller, are they quickseller or boicot ur vote?

http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Earbuds?l=english

they went up from 13,47 euro to 19,90 euro in same day in the steam market

and they are still rising

buyer at 9 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25531089

Thanks for additional proof :D

why so little proof?

There's more proof in the comments.

This supposed rebound is because the people with vast amounts are trying to artificially inflate the value again through nefarious means. It was going low for a reason, and it is not usual for something to all the sudden gain another 4 keys after such a decrease. Stop with the manipulation. They blamed backpack.tf for killing them, don't use the same system to try and manipulate them back up. Buds for 5-6 are still too high.

Can you explain how I'm manipulating? I'm using the buyers and the sales via Outpost to back this suggestion up.

So don't accuse me of manipulating when I am not.

Buds for 5-6 being too high? Why are there buyers at 8-10 then?

Don't accuse people of shit they're not doing.

Go away.

We don't like accusations here.

It's true. The market doesn't lie. =)

Then don't accuse me of manipulating.

Did I put your name in the comment? No, but I guess guilt has got ya!

"Stop with the manipulation." you clearly wrote it in response of my suggestion, which was made by me.

And technically that's accusing me of manipulation.

But no, guilt hasn't got to me, just annoyed that a random accusing me of manipulating when I'm clearly not.

I call it like I see it.

That's your own problem. Either call things correctly, or don't call things at all.

"AGAIN, AMAZING STUFF" say's it all.

How the hell does that say anything?

I'm saying amazing stuff cause it's still going up.

It's just a game man, I'm responding to the obvious market manipulation going on. Earbuds are not a decent currency for anyone except those that already have tons of them. Keys absolutely, earbuds, no. Look at how many RECENT posts of earbuds going up. It's obvious manipulation. Welcome to the stock market.

Eh, I like buds, so I'm happy it's going up.

Well, it seemed like you were responding to me and my suggestion. I know earbuds aren't a decent currency because they like to go up and down.

And yeah, the way earbuds are going up, is the same way they went down, people started making suggestions to decrease buds, when buds were stable, that's when panic sellers came along, and then buds went all the way down to 5.

Same with what's happening now, people make suggestions to increase buds, sellers start selling for more, and people can't find any for less.

Anyhow, I'm using the market to make a suggestion, if you want to deal with the so called "manipulation", take it to the sellers and buyers of tf2outpost :)

I'm cool. Ok to have a heated discussion and manipulation can be anything. I'm happy to at least talk with you about it even if heated. =) Peace man, but a little fire always good.

Sorry nonetheless, thought you were accusing me.

Heh, I guess, I was laughing for a bit. :)

Have a good one.

Guys do you think its good to invest in buds now?

Well, sometimes they go all the way up, and sometimes they'll go all the way down. It's truely optional, but I won't say anything cause I'm not a fan of messing anyone up.

10 seems like a good price, they sell easily around that range.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25574270 hes sold 5 already at 10ea

should I buy an unusual with my bud and 1key or wait until buds rise(if they will) and buy an unusual for 15keys?

how much do you think buds will rise?

go to the forums for questions.

I still think that buds have lost their prime and shouldnt be used as a currency anymore, but oh well.

Cant argue with the proof, upboat.

buds arent currency anymore. it's not fit to be currency since the prices keeps changing

Im saying it as a response to all the people saying that buds are coming back as a currency.

naruhodo! c:

that means i see!

http://www.trade.tf/mybots/buyers/Earbuds People buy for 8 keys and 5 ref already with bots, a clear sign price needs to go up

Definatly Upvote :)

sold:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25600073 sold 1 for 8.5k (check their inventory)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25597758 sold multiple for 9k

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25600221 sold multiple (8+) for 9k

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25599452 sold 3 for 9k

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25599254 sold 1 for 10k (check the inventory)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25597748 sold 2 for 10k+5refs each

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25599631 sold 2 for 11k (check the inv)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25586088 sold 1 for 12k or sold on market

sellers at less then 9k:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25600386 8.5 keys

sellers at 9k:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25599956

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25600713

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25599114

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/13168732

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25592869

sellers at 10k:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25599309

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25489353

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25600555

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25599950

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25595727

all other sellers wants 11k+

Are admins sleeping or what this could have gone through like 5 hours ago :D

Not anymore, tons of sellers below 10 keys at the moment in classifieds.

yeah just as grim said, 10 flat might not be accurate now, it seems like 10 key sales were mostly based on hype.

Looks good, great to see buds getting back up.

Upvote.

Friend of mine SOLD 20 buds last night all@ 10keys so......hype 20 sales i don't think so somehow....he just added they all went in 20 minutes too ...Fact!.

Looks good. Upvote ng.

I dont see a point of this passing due to the lack of Proof here. I've seen more Proof on Key Suggestions than this here, esspecially when there is more Proof posted for 8 Keys than for the suggested 10 Keys here.

It's not a currency anymore....

Even if it isnt, most of the other Suggestions offer a larger pool of proof. What i see here are some trades slapped up from tf2outpost( because thats appearently the only trading site) and then expecting other people to add some more proof in hopes of buds rising again.

The main reason buds dropped is due to Keys rising in value, in short buds didnt loose value.

Fair enough. I'll go gather some more proof. For now, enjoy the buyers. Edit: I think one of the other two suggestions will pass, I see more sales at 9 for the moment.

Buyers at 8

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25588399

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25599024

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25598416

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25510965

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25603145

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25595453

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25603061

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23958626

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25603301

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25598371

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25597430