Suggestion: Circling Peace Sign Federal Casemaker at 36–40 keys

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~32 keys

peace

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This suggestion was accepted Fri, 10 Apr 15 15:47:57 +0000 by polar.

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Counter to the previous suggestion. Only the most recent sale was reported when there have been 3 sales in the past 3 months, all of which were pure sales. The reported sales shown below are every sale this hat has been involved in.

Here is my proof:

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Sale 1

Sold for 40 Pure Keys.

Before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198121529257?time=1427958000

After: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198121529257?time=1428130800

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Sale 2

Sold for 2 Earbuds and 6 Pure Keys, totaling 36 Keys. (Buds were 15 Keys at the time of the sale.)

Before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198088660638?time=1421395200

After: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198088660638?time=1421481600

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Sale 3

(Outlier)

Sold for 26 Pure Keys and 25 Refined. Totals ~27-28 Keys.

Before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198087162521?time=1421049600

After: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198087162521?time=1421308800

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Let it Scoot.

Due to the fluctuation in buds we're not using sales older than 2 months ideally.

The accepted suggestion was actually the correct one.

The wording was "be very careful" with using sales >2 months, and this was due to bud inflation.

If there's a 2 month old pure sale that still happens to be less than the most recent sale, I really don't see a problem in using it.

It's a week away from being three months old. Polar said to me that any time you're valuing buds at more than 12 you're walking a very dangerous line.

I think that in this case, it should be fine to use.

It isn't a very big change, but it is more accurate and provides the entire complete history of the hat.

Plus, the current owner was complaining on the forums about the accuracy of the last suggestion, so I thought I'd provide the full history to eliminate any confusion.

iirc the current owner was complaining because he said 40 keys was a quicksell and it should be higher. You're lowering it XD

The mods are all very ambivalent on sales of that age-range at the minute.

I've given you my opinion on this but hell, I could be wrong. Suggesting is anyone's game right at the minute >_<

He was complaining it was too low?! Oh, dear me. How terrible.

Really, the complaints were followed by insults directed at the mods. It was pretty appalling. So, I took it upon myself to check the actual sales, and it showed that they were all around this point.

The guy even had the audacity to say he wanted to flip it for 90 keys. =/

Now I don't even feel any mercy for that person now.

It was a clear and obvious attempt at manipulation, even though the data is all there. =/

Hai im dat ebil dood

I sell for burning tc cose I say so

90 keys was a joke, read the mood

You're right. Asking 90 keys for that hat IS a joke.

Sale one is a quicksell

Sale two is too old

I hab hat so I tink eets 100000000 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25548763

His post is a week old with NO activity. That's DEFINITELY not a quicksale.

He then turned it into a qs with bazaar.tf auction

I have still yet to see a single shred of proof from you that your purchase was a quicksale. You just keep saying the same old, repeated things over and over again, expecting everyone to believe you.

Want some advice? Get some proof. Then, people might actually take you seriously.

EDIT: "He then turned it into a qs with bazaar.tf auction"

It doesn't work that way, sorry. You don't just turn something into a quicksell when you never had a B/O and there was no activity on the hat in question.

Then i Shall

You still have not told me how you assumed it was a normal sale

http://bazaar.tf/trade/1257200#post-1864909

My keys were auctioned, pure auctions generally attract quicksellers.seeing the trends of.the bazaar.tf way

I also added.the previous owner to tell me if he was quickselling it

If he indeed confirms that it was a normal sale, ill stop

If he says its a quicksale. Well then this suggestion would require more proof

Oh wow, so the hat in question wasn't even auctioned. You put up a post selling 40 keys, and he offered the hat to you. I can't even...

That doesn't prove a thing. It's still not a quicksell because the guy was SELLING IT FOR A WEEK BEFORE HE FOUND YOU. He offloaded it to you because at the end of the day, he made profit. That does not instantly qualify it as a quicksell.

He settled on a final price that was higher than what he paid. Everything involved in this is so ass backwards. What makes it worse is that you've deluded yourself into actually believing that it is an invalid piece of evidence, when you essentially agreed to his price and his terms.

Well, lets see what he says

If he indeed confirms that it was a normal sale, ill stop

What who says? The seller?

My God, how many times do I have to present the same data before you understand? You think the sell was a quicksell. It wasn't. The guy was trying actively for a week to sell the hat. He got no offers.

You post an auction for 40 keys. He paid less than that, so he decided "Time to profit." He post his suggestion, you accepted, deed was done.

NO QUICKSELL. It took him over a week to get rid of his hat. His opinion on the matter is moot, because the FACTS show that this doesn't qualify as a quicksell.

The sale is valid. The data is all there. Stop trying to get it discredited. It's not going to work.

Sooo you were the seller?

You understood his mindset from merely two trades?

You are a great observer

Edit: just realized.you are a veteran at this unusual stuff

I will confirm with the seller if he thought it was a qs and that if he had waited, he could have gotten better offers

I want to struggle.one last time before I lose, even though its.inevitable

What the hell are you talking about? Mindset? What, are you going to do a psyche evaluation on the guy? How in the hell is that at all relevant to the topic at hand?!

And yes, that's precisely how it works. You look at all the previous sales to determine price ranges. That's how it's ALWAYS worked. And THIS price range CLEARLY SHOWS that the hat sits right around the 40 key mark. That's what you paid and that's what the previous owner paid.

How is that so goddamn hard to understand?!

EDIT: I've already presented the previous owner's outpost listing, which, in case you missed it, HAD NO OFFERS.

Even if he says he had offers on his hat, the burden of proof would be on you to prove that those are legitimate offers, which I highly doubt you'd be able to do.

He also had no offers for a week

Eventually giving up and qs to cut his losses

Or.make.that 4.key profit from several months ago

Also unbumped.for almost most of that week

You don't really need to bump unusual trades. It's not like a random cosmetic or hat with dozens on the market, people search the hat and the effect they like and done. Btw, I'm pretty sure this price suggestion is more accurate with two sales almost at the same price than your ridiculous B/O of 60-90 keys you were talking about on the forums.

Again, first sale is qs

Second is several months old, unusable ever since the great bud drop

Edit: not unusable but somewhat difficult to use

You're floundering, and it's painfully obvious. Just stop and accept the fact that you paid pure keys for a hat you thought you could flip with the expectation that you could possibly take advantage of someone. I'm not closing my suggestion and a mod won't be rendering the last suggestion as inaccurate. Accept your losses and move on, because you aren't helping your case in the least. You're just making things look worse for yourself.

Alrite fine, ill go ask the person himself

And I did apologize to the mod, as a side note