Suggestion: Purple Energy Galvanized Gibus at 300–335 keys

Since the LAW is the higher tier hat according to this trade, it is better to update the law with this sale rather than the gibus [both are outdated].

Sale 4:

Sold with CM brainiac (~200) for a scorching bonk boy (650) and AF front runner (108)

Buyer:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198152335696?time=1423468800 before

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198152335696?time=1423555200 after

Seller:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198046847315?time=1423468800 before

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198046847315?time=1423560665 after

Histories:

Brain: http://backpack.tf/item/1247801450

Gibus: http://backpack.tf/item/2786727057

Bonk: http://backpack.tf/item/2219625954

Runner: http://backpack.tf/item/1654136791

0.9*(650+180-200) = ~500

-> 500 keys OUTLIER

Sale 5:

Sold for Pfetti cold killer (50) + scorching hermes (~80) + Gfetti BoA (~150) + Pfetti liquidators (~36) + Pfetti billycock (~20) + Pfetti ten gallon (~34)

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197990172296?time=1422633988 before

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197990172296?time=1422864000 after

0.9*(50+80+150+36+20+34) = ~340

-> 333 keys

The minis:

Mini brainiac:

Making a suggestion for this mini:

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/55299fa4ba8d88b5778b479b open suggestion at 200.

Taking 200

Mini front runner:

Sold for CV hot dogger (45) + 63 keys

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198072130231?time=1428446829 before

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198072130231 after

45+63 = 108

Taking 108

mini ten gallon:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25618289 B/O of 34, below current price

Taking 34

Mini cold killer:

Difficult to get a proper mini on, histories have gaps and are tricky to track, theyre involved in bulk sales or sales using hats that are longer outdated than this one. Ill go with its current price of 50.

Sales at:

304

333

500

Outliers and why:

500 is making use of a higher tier hat to price lower tier hats, which generally shouldn't be done. Besides that, the value is significantly higher than the other two sales. Ill exclude it from the range.

Final range:

304-333, rouding to 300-335

Constructive criticism welcome!

~Foamy :3

Gibusssss~

rip in peace owners of pe gibus

why did you remove the 500 keys trade of your suggest, this trade have been done in the same times of the 2 others. personnaly i m in care of the suggest price because i stop play tf2 but for information when i have buy the gibus with lucky and bonnet i have also add some cs go key ( 70 keys ). sorry for my bad english, i think the suggest must be arond 400 key.

I excluded it because its an outlier (the other two sales are rather close to each other and this one is far above that) and because the sale I extracted the value from is a complex sale using higher tier hats. Same reason I did not use the LAW one (which would also be around 300 if I worked it out, but I used the gibus to update the law already).

well i dont see the cs key added on this suggest price. seem also your backpack is too low for made this suggest.

I have no clue what the first bit of this sentence means.

As for the second part: This is a pointless statement. The mere fact that I just made this suggestion proves otherwise.

[Additionally, disliking my comment doesnt make it wrong]

Why does his backpack value matter regarding a suggestion? Don't get off topic.

counter proof :

sold for a Death at Dusk Kiss King(Not outdated price) (250 / 288 keys x 0.9 = 225 / 259 keys) + 23 buds ( 126 key ) + 39 keys + 20 ref ( rounding 1 key ) so totally 391 / 425 keys

the proof now

before sell the P.E Gibus:

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198070061617?time=1429772400

and now after sell the P.E Gibus :

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198070061617?time=1429858800

so the suggest range is not good

this proof is the lasted traded PE Gibus actually

by the way he was quickselling and I didnt want the hat at first. We negotiated for a while and he needed the pure. he was going to give me 40 percent off if I gave him all pure or 30 or 35% off if I included the kiss king in the trade.

Its not particularly a quicksell; It took him a month to sell. I take it that by 'giving 40% off' you mean 40% of the current price?

He had it for sale on outpost on and off for about 3 weeks with a non premium account. I talked to him on the 19th and he knew I was not going to be available much due to work. Yes he wanted all pure and would take less if it was pure as he didn't want an unusual added in however I didn't want to do all pure so we negotiated the deal to include the kiss king.

I knew what the hat sold for previously and the range was broad. Mine falls somewhere between the 300 and 500 sales and should definitely be included in the suggestion. Even if you still consider the 500 an outlier mine would be the top of the range I guess. Thanks.

Including it would mean I need a proper mini on the kiss king. Technically it is not an outdated suggestion (even though its very old), but if I see the suggestion its price is based on, the value of it should be significantly lower now. The AF muffs that make its high end are currently priced at ~215 and its low end largely depends on a questionable 5 month old trade post (to value the unpriced beams hat), which is invalid to use now. working that out, Ill probably get a value of ~350 for it, which I can set as high end I guess.

The fact that he was willing to do less if it was all pure is not particularly helping your case, though. In fact, if he would have put his B/O at 40% off, the sale would have to be capped at 325 [falling in the suggested range]. But since I dont see a solid B/O alike listed, I can use the sales value. Ill work it out and will resuggest if it appears to be needed.

Foamy I feel your pain! I've been in ur shoes and its a pain in the ass! For the record I really don't care what it is priced at however I also don't want the other gib owner to get screwed. "The fact that he was willing to do less if it was all pure is not particularly helping your case, though." yes I realize that but I'm giving the facts. Again I don't really care what the price is but it was definitely a quick sell and it was far less than the other option. The price I paid I am more than happy with regardless of what it ends up at.

Good luck with the suggestion and if u need any proof from me please let me know.

Thanks, I will ^^

I've made a suggestion to update the kiss king:

https://backpack.tf/vote/id/55426f6cb98d887b308b45a7

its value would end up ~205.

Taking this into consideration, I'd get:

0.9*205 (185) + 23*5 (115) + 39 + 1 = ~340 keys

The difference of the high end would be ~5 keys, (so ~2.5 keys for the average value). Since this is less than 1% change, I dont think a resuggestion for a 5key difference will really be needed

Thanks for providing info on your sales! If you have any more questions/comments, let me know!

You do realize there was no overpay on the BB since he offered on my trade? AMAZING no one else saw that yet voted for ur suggestion???

If im off base let me know. It doesn't effect me but at the same time it diminishes the value of this website.

w/e. I TOLD you I was gonna update the KK, and you left no comments there! I could have adapted it (Im only human, I overlook things from time to time). If the website has no value to you - then leave.

[Edit]

The jokes on you, you had a BO of 26 buds (208 keys)

Im even overstating your sale. But Im glad you know better.

Foamy as I said many times I really don't care about the value of my hats. It literally means less than nothing to me. What does matter is that the prices are correct and fair. I don't have a lot of free time (daughter in college and 2 kids in high school). I promise u I will do the best I can to help with suggestions but at the end of the day if it isn't accurate I will let u know. I was kind of upset that people just blindly vote without due diligence. Not poking fun at u by any stretch. And if u ever need me to provide proof on anything let me know.

another proof :

an offer on my outpost trade : It's A Secret To Everybody Tipped Lid (priced a few days ago 500 TO 650 keys )

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25790238#latest

so now where is the "500 keys OUTLIER"

definitivelly DOWN vote

Usable sales here at 300, 330, 340 (the kiss king one). Let's consider the sale at "500." For one, the AF front runner is outdated. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5507cddbb88d88b9728b46a5 - puts it closer to 70 keys than the current price of 140. And a clean scorching bonk has been on the market for 3 weeks at 480 - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25686236.

So that sale probably around 400 after overpay. If someone wanted to update the AF front runner formally, I wouldn't be opposed to a range of ~300-400 or 300-420 or so. But the suggested range is better than the current one and the votes support it as well.