Suggestion: Mann Co. Supply Crate Key at 17–17.33 ref

The range seems about right, but you can't necessarily expect others to put up the proof for your suggestion. If you want to make a key suggestion, be prepared to put up a lot of links as proof.

Also, buyers should only be needed to raise a price, so that doesn't really contribute towards your evidence to lower the price here.

I'm not downvoting, but not ready to upvote yet either...

NOTE: Assume each trade is an unsold, I wrote next to the ones that seem like a sale. This only applies for the trades @ 17.77-18 refs.

TF2OUTPOST

92 Sellers @ 18 refs

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22972288

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23988919

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24937190

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24937418

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25435605

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25502244

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25593870

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25605712

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25676515

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25677769

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25678349

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25681379

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25686258

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25686729

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25692720

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25693845

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25694342

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25696035

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25697519

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25697618

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25698642

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25699094

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25699126

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25699855

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25700200

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25701262

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25701264

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25701276

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25701957

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25702820

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25702827 (seems like a sale)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25703282

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25703569 (idk)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25704431

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25704510

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25704717

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25706285

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25706964

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25707112

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25707228

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25709077

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25709078

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25709657

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25709748

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25709960

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25710107

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25710930

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25710951

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25711064

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25711605

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25711764

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25711863

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25711918

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25712111

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25712564

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25712812

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713114

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713512

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713762

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713913

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714164

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714187

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714243

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714354

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714562

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714573

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714634

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714720

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714756

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714856

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714951

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715195

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715420 (sold it, uncertain price)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715455

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715579 (seems like a legit sale)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715590

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715743

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715887

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25716418

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25716500

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25716915

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717067

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717129

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717406

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717514

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717662

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717979

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25718035

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25718150

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25718338

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25718733

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25718817

4 Sellers @ 17.88 refs

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25670516

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714144

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714924

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25716534

14 Sellers @ 17.77 refs

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22621707 (can’t tell)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25646775

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25653690

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25688603

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25688695

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25703113

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25710184

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25711929

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25712631

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713262

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714932

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715930

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25716252

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25716590

39 Sellers @ 17.66 refs

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24693233

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25330673

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25352474

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25515307

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25578929

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25683204

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25687651

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25697649

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25699155

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25700594

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25701414

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25701521

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25702003

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25702501

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25704215

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25706498

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25709246

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25709626

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25711578

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25711688

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25712066

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25712568

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713259

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713315

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713434

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714767

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715469

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715602

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715668

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25716376

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25716870

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25716959

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717052

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717312

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717351

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717529

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717710

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717976

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25718017

10 Sellers @ 17.55 refs

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23292271

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23902384

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24959537

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25424849

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25703864

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25704940

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25712517

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713430

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714555

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25718796

Sellers @ 17.44 refs

No one

26 Sellers @ 17.33 refs

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23954284

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24449312

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24773054

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25255243

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25463293

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25627372

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25628216

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25629164

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25672529

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25679614

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25693121

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25696072

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25703831

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25706329

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25708278

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25708700

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25711974

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713162

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713468

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714912

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25716570

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25716862

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717034

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717143

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25718015

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25718560

3 Sellers @ 17.22 refs

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25026188

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25486455

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715350

7 Sellers @ 17.11 refs

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23798941

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24963530

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25430517

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25526356

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714821

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715799

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717373

18 Sellers @ 17.00 refs

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23802959

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23987074

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24023451

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25532616

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25602460

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25631802

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25677731

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25682247

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25700357

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25709756

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713883

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713894

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714606

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715017

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25715300

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25717018

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25718090

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25718668

2 Sellers @ 16.88 refs

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25713923

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714820

1 Seller @ 16.55 refs

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25710289

1 Seller @ 16 refs

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/55304ce4b88d88575a8b5b56

1Seller @ 15 refs

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714700

TRADE.TF

Buyers from 16-16.88 refs

http://www.trade.tf/mybots/buyers/Mann%20Co.%20Supply%20Crate%20Key

Sellers:

3 @ 17.11 refs (44 keys in stock)

2 @ 17.22 refs (3 keys in stock)

2 @ 17.66 refs (34 keys in stock)

1 @ 18 refs (254 keys in stock)

http://www.trade.tf/mybots/sellers/Mann%20Co.%20Supply%20Crate%20Key

CLASSIFIED LISTINGS

Plenty of sellers @ 17.00-17.33 refs

http://backpack.tf/classifieds?item=Mann%20Co.%20Supply%20Crate%20Key&page=1

SCRAP.TF

Buying @ 17. Selling @ 17

Conclusions

1. Around 89% unsolds at 18 refs

2. 100 % unsolds at 17.88 refs

3. 93% unsolds at 17.77 refs

4. Number of sellers (tf2outpost) at 17.44-17.66 refs : 39

5. Number of sellers (tf2outpost) at 17.00 – 17.33 refs: 54

6. Suggested price : 17.00-17.33 upvote

This is already dropping again ;D

Better proof than alot of the key suggestions recently though

Eh the proof is relatively decent. (At least better than most key suggestions). upboat

Eh, you people don't even know how to run an economy, you raised the price of keys by like .66 ref every 5 days, until it's too much for people to even buy one, driving the demand down the toilet.. then crashing keys. This already happened months ago, why make it happen again? Anyways that's my little ramble on keys and how little 12 year olds run this economy. Upvote, keys must go down...

Sorry, backpack.tf doesn't run the economy, it records changes in it.

If you don't think backpack.tf runs the economy then I have some sad news for you kid.

Where did you learn that backpack.tf runs the economy?

The reason why price suggestions are called suggestions is because people notice a trend in the selling price of an item. They have to provide proof, showing that the item is legitimately is changing in price.

Also, to call me a 'kid' is quite an insult. You've suggested nothing at all. If you think this website runs the economy then don't use it at all. You should also read up on economics, including the topics of supply and demand, inflation, and deflation. Please come back after you've received a lecture on said topic before rambling about a supposed tyrannical individual controlling a micro-economy.

Yes, but because the /suggestions/ are listed publicly and people don't know the difference between a suggestion and a bible it drives the price up.

I've learned that backpack.tf runs the economy though a long history of trades kid, I know quite enough about economics, and it is, in fact, you who is the rambling one.

Oh fabio because you know so much about trading that the last couple of suggestions you got wrong

"long history of trades"

bp value $97 T-T

Traders drive the price up (or down!) and bp.tf spreadsheet displays mode price (Yo: some maths http://www.purplemath.com/modules/meanmode.htm). If you don't know that, you don't know the site, you don't know economics brah. So pls stahp.

Clearly you didn't read what I said, did i say "BIBLE.TF RUNS THE ECONOMY"????? No

Also bible.tf indeed does run the economy of tf2, everyone follows it's prices with the corrupt admins of this economy. It most definetly is running the economy

Actually, all these prices are based on what people sell/buy items for, so it's based around what the ACTUAL prices are that people buy/sell for. But backpack.tf doesn't make the price, it shows what most people value the price at.

Exactly that is what I am saying... These kids get too greedy and want to sell a key (for example: a key costs 20 ref, and they are selling it for 21 ref....) Driving the price up, just cause 1 scrawny punk wants to make an extra ref D: people hop on the train and sell it for higher, resulting in a chain reaction of keys never dropping, then people realize "Shit, what the poop have we done to keys, lets drop it"

It's rare to see some like you that understands the tf2 economy. It good to see someone that understands. Thanks Mr dragon slayer

Auctually before the suggestion is accepted like eg buds to go down price, admins sold alot of thier buds to not lose profit. So literally they are taking advantage. And also about suggestion and it needing proof, even if the proof is abundant, admin can make some excuse or reason that you probably wont understand to cancel the suggestion. Who controls backpack.tf ? ADMINS Is there higher authority? NO . So literally they can change the prices by price manupilation or etc and people would believe them like a BIBLE.

please just stop, your worse than the people that believe in the Illuminati

thats what the illuminati said

its you're btw

Ahhhhhh no

Selling @

17 ref

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714441 - closed

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25709756 - 20 hours old, sold unbumped

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25302412 - month old trade, sold a while back (taking "Selling 1" as being too indeterminate of actual stock for sale)

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25714289 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25701658 - sold

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25705226 - sold

That's your entire proof for the low end. It's not going to be enough.

*Air horn violin* keys you will be missed. You will be missed. Rest in pepperoni

Jk anyone with a brain would know this was going to happen. People didn't buy at 20 and now everyone is trying to sell for cheap to beat other key sellers. Good proof hope it's accepted upvote

Well said.

Thank you for being such a dear friend

Upvote as well.

Also thank you

You should not forget scrap.tf which sells at 17 ref. / buys at 17 ref.

What other sites value keys at doesn't count towards proof here... the scrap.tf valuation doesn't show solds

Ok, I just wanted to remind scrap.tf, this doesn't necessarily mean it's 100% useful for this suggestion as soon as we can't see the solds. I agree with you.

Let's ask Geel to publish the key bot trade history :)

HELL NO I NEED KEYS TO GO UP

its nice to see the keys die down a little after those new crates

I think this could be the range we're looking for to stabilize the price, but I don't think you've provided enough evidence. I suggest you withdraw and resubmit with more evidence.