Suggestion: Purple Energy Deep Cover Operator at 160–200 keys

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~90 keys

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You were a good double agent and now you'll live in Russia.

Just like all the other good double agents that served us.

We're not going to send a drone after you.

#RandomSuggestions #ThatDropTho

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The Sales

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http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25293972 - Sold for 134 Keys + Max Head (28) (162)

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198068232858?time=1427698800

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198068232858?time=1427871600

(Rounding to 160.)

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http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25626473 - Sold for 200 Keys.

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198063679352?time=1428390000

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198063679352?time=1428480365

(Not all keys are here. Believe they probably cashed out for CS:GO.)

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I seen the offers on this thing and they don't look like they have went over 100 keys.

Made some revisions on this and seen the bottom end sold for a bit more than what was said. Thanks Wolfi. c:

Also Sheldon, Magenta is working on the revisions on the other hats that you were complaining about.

Hi Trafalgar, in response to your comment here.

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5539097bb88d88d4658b48bd#comment-55390f12ba8d8837728b4567

Harsh, despite of it being a "quick sale", you haven't received a single offer over 100 keys for your hat publicly.

And I assure you if I set a price of 100 keys on my hat, within minutes i will receive multiple adds to trade. Hell, if anyone put the hat up for 100 keys, I would offer him this amount, and even more if he created a bit of a bidding war, as I am sure I would not be the only one asking to purchase this PE DCO for 100 Keys. Furthermore, if you had actually taken a quick glimpse at my only real offer, it is more than a 100 keys, and i politely declined with no second thought.

Alongside, you're playing the tier-game.

- That is how the entire unusual game is played, there are certain hats, some are definitely more than others, there are some effects, some are more than others. Sorry, if for some reason a PE Rack was priced at 300 Keys, and Sunbeams Rack was priced was at 200 Keys, yes i would see something wrong, why? I play the "tier game" as you say. That is how pretty much everyone plays it, otherwise we would all be exchanging nuts and bolts KE's for Burning KE's.

You're trying to excuse your hat for being more than the bloody Death at Dusk

Furthermore you compare how death at dusk is generally priced over purple energy. Well, lets break this down with some hats:

Trader gets offered a PE BoA vs DaD BoA - 95% of traders will probably take PE.

Trader gets offered a PE KE vs DaD KE - 95% of traders will probably take PE.

Trader gets offered a PE DCO vs a DaD DCO - I will absolutely take (and i'm sure a lot of others will aswell) PE over death at dusk, a less popular, less rare, and a worse effect imo.

Trader gets offered a PE Chapeau vs a DaD Chapeau - Are you getting my trend?

Finally, trader gets offered a PE Yellow Belt vs a DaD Yellow belt - I think you get what i am saying.

The tier-game that you haven't even bother to check that the hats you have all stated are all outdated

Some times common sense needs to be utilised.

No offense, but all I'm hearing is whining on a similar level that Wayne does when he gets exposed for sharking high-tier unusuals.

Hot damn, 0 - 100 real quick on this one. No, i am not whining, it is an explanation, as to why this is an unreasonable suggested value or a guide.

As to your Wayne comment:

1) Do you have solid evidence of Wayne actually sharking these unusuals? If you did, and you had handed it over to community admins over at outpost, or here, I am sure he would b handled with appropriately, Post the proof - or shut up. Until proven guilty, the user is innocent.

2) So now whenever i buy a quicksell on a "god tier" as you state it, I am instantly told that i have sharked it? very nice.

No offense

-> Whenever anyone says this, offense is probably intended. When you make such remarks without backing up your comments, it is indeed taken rudely.

>If I set my hat for 100 keys, then I would receive multiple adds to buy it.

I did not declare it was 100 keys. I stated that your offers were not impressive and they didn't seem to go above 100 keys at all from the glances that I seen. Price comparisons showed they were either around 100 keys or lowers from the public offers.

>That is how the entire unusual game is played.

Absolutely not. In a general sense, yes, but definitely not in a literal sense. There will be anomalies (themed hats and limited effects) in the prices that will not match or correlate to the general prices. You have to look at the factors (could there be multiples of this hat or is it gifted?) and see if that actually downplays the hat's price.

>Using Statistics.

You do realize people put the preferences of effects more over than the actual cost? I see what you're trying to say, but that isn't a logical argument at all. Maybe it is because of my bias against the Energy effects, but those aren't actual statistics. Where's the source of those numbers?

Common Sense needs to be ultised.

Says the one that mentioned effects that are 70~80% outdated and actually being priced by Magenta now.

>"I'm not whining. It's an explaining of why this is unreason--"

Look at my Burning Flames Brigade Helmet suggestion. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5530b667ba8d881d668b5784

Your sale might be labelled as a quicksale for 200 keys, but the 160 key sale took nearly a month to complete and wasn't a quick sale. The person was done with the game and was cashing out, but that doesn't mean people will quick sell.

Alongside, I didn't say you sharked it. You're whining at a similar level that Wayne did when people pointed out his bullshit sharking, which I don't know how in the hell he hasn't been banned at all. I actually do have two examples of where Wayne actually lowballed/sharked people of their unusuals and resold for massive profit. One of the examples literally got the whole community against him and he became very childish.

Example #1 - Green Energy Law: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/550b41d6b88d885e338b4a06 (Sale #4 - 15 Buds - ~150 Keys)

Example #2 - Death at Dusk Team Captain: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5497638aba8d887d628b490b (Check Comments - 2 Buds - ~30 Keys)

>Offense is probably intended.

I actually don't mean any offense. I just want to point out you have a major flaw in your logic.

Point 1 - Multiple times you state, oh im not saying its 100 keys, but im just saying, no offers over 100 keys at all from the research you have done. alright, let me do some research, im sure you've done your in depth research and therefore it will be hard to prove this one wrong.

Oh wait! - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25635620 ; my own trade where i asked you to look to see for my offers, offer of a Sunbeams YWN + Disco Veil = 275 Keys according to backpack, and i declined without any interest. This alone in my view is sufficient to prove that 160-200 keys is nowhere near a true value of this hat.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25293972 - more than 100 keys offer, not taken

Involved in a bulk sale with Groovy and Neutron for a burning pullover - http://imgur.com/tUBi2K9 - where it was valued at 400 Keys, dont quote me on this, but from the little browsing of suggestions i do i see that estimations tend to be accepted on high tier hats

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23160379 - sure is a bit old, but real, non-quick sell trades are lacking on this hat

Both Groovy and I have bought hours as quicksells - I bought mine within a day of it being on the market (as soon as i saw it), he bought it as sunshine wanted to cash out.

Point 2

You don't seem to be getting my point - there's only a handful of themed hats that go for a lot and gifted obviously changes value.

Point 3

Please note probably in my sentences, there is no way i can correctly get a response from the entire tf2 community, and if i did get a few people for their opinions, you'd just say I asked them to say that or something.

Point 4

My point was unclear - I will clarify when im not doing work along side this

Point 5

It took him 1 month to sell it yes.

Did you consider in the case of the PE DCO - how long he has kept it, the past offers he could have taken, etc. He made it clear he was tired of the trading aspect overall and wanted to cashout. He has been offered significantly higher than what he took, as I already mentioned, users on outpost can edit their notes from quicksell to normal and ofcourse vice versa normal to quicksell. You have no way of proving that he had it up as a quicksell for long either - for all you know the 145 key offer was a lowball when he was not looking to quicksell.

Point 6

Ok, perhaps i misunderstood your comment. I am not trying to be offensive by any means either.

mm well i am just here to let you know that my trade was a quickbuy as well since Sunshine was cashing out and it would not be fair to price it basing my purchase and i just traded it in a bulk trade (valuing it at 400 keys) for a burning pullover, rest i'll let mods to handle this.

I'll be completely fair. I'm seeing quite a few of the hats involved in this trade taking a hit with revaluation of prices. Sure, they're probably quick value trades and you can value it for whatever you want, but that doesn't dismiss the fact this hat is taking a drop. We can't even base your sale off of that hat, because I see about three or four hats (lets just take it if they're actually priced now) that makes up the current price on the Burning Pullover and it was priced very recently. After deflation, it'll probably be on par of where the current price is, but we won't know, since there's an unpriced hat involved.

And again, let me repeat my point with Sheldon. Cashing out doesn't mean quickselling.

Trade of question:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198061374527?time=1429686000

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198061374527?time=1429772400

Cashing out doesn't mean quickselling but when buyer and seller both agreed it to be a quicksale, it is a quicksell.

Yet, did the 160 seller ever clarified of it being a quick sale? All I see is cashing out, not quick sale.

Not to even mention that five days before, he had a 145 key offer. I'm certain when he changed it, that revise was more than a week.

so unless she writes it on her sell thread that she is quickselling , it wont be counted as a quicksell ? Sorry but that doesn't makes sense at all.

And i dont mind if the hat takes a drop i just don't want it to be rushed into and be unfair

There is no indication that makes it seem like it was a quick sale. Sale has been running for over a month, denied a 145 key offer a few days before on the 27th of March, and concluded on 160ish keys on the 1st of April. How do you declare it is an outlier?

Did you factor in that people change their minds and outpost has a great feature known as edit notes

She also had a 23 pure offer when buds were worth a lots more, but ofcourse thats a bit hold so you wont care.

I'm going to take it that you're going to just complain, whine, and flood the suggestion now, instead of actually reading any of my comments at all about it. Alongside, drop the attitude. I have been trying to be respectful.

okay lets talk facts then , sunshine was offered a clean secret rack with in last 2 months which was rejected coz she was after pure only. Since the price on the rack is ~3 months old il count it as ~300 keys which is clearly more than what range you have put up, next offer was a clean burning YWN. Now i know the value on YWN is highly outdated on backpack but it was sold for a clean CM anger and both the hats are easily above your price of 200.

Those past offers i mentioned just to let you know that this 160 key sale was a qs because she has outright rejected a lot more in almost double in offers

Both hats you referenced are outdated, especially the CM Anger that is nearly a year outdated.

From a first glance over sales with that hat, I'm seeing that hat is not worth 300 keys. More closer to 180 keys.

The YWN is somewhat outdated, but given the current inflated price, not hard to knock it down into the range.

Now, the rack offer seems a bit odd... because I don't see it anywhere in the latest and previous trades.

Also, that rack just became outdated and there is no current sales that can be used with it.

the rack price is barely outdated , i mean that's 3 months so its not "heavily" outdated its barely there. Also the offer is here "http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24797831" by "Bunny" . And yes there is another sale as well as the rack was sold for FoD Flippin + Showstopper Ranchos + SGG High five (which exact taunt i paid ~8-9 buds worth) and the values arent too far from the 300 range. My point here being that Sunshine had clearly better offers than 160 keys but she wanted pure so she qs the hat.

I would advise looking at the two newest suggestions that I just finished. This is what I'm clearly talking about, Groovy.

Overinflation is a total bitch and has thrown the entire market for a spin.

Also you completely ignore my 200 Key quickbuy?

I'm also completely fine with a drop in any of my hats prices -- i dont sell based on bp.tf if i believe it is worth higher or lower, i'm just trying to help give a "true" market value of these hats.

Did you bother to even read the Brigade suggestion at all?

This is the same exact case, but in reverse order.

The 160ish sold took a month to sale. The 200 key sold took a day or so.

Even if the 200 keys sold was within a single day, it doesn't mean it invalidates the 160.

It only helps increase a range on it and by looking at your offers, they're under this suggested range.

I'm doing work while responding to this stuff, and i am reading over that reply now.

Since I just got the hands on one I will post my trade here to report the offers: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25826993#p62710026

First offer I got is: PE Cold Killer (outdated), GE Napper's Respite (outdated), and Time Warp Hat of Cards (78)

PE Cold killer mini, sold for duped ooze hkc (clean is priced at ~190) + ~20 keys: http://i.imgur.com/MF173XY.jpg - trade: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25650698

I guess that sale is like 180 keys or so?, making this offer over 250 for sure.

I think 160 is an outlier now.

http://puu.sh/hyI0A/5bedf8ac4a.png

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/553e305eb88d887b408b4848

Should be 240 keys after overpay, declined.

http://puu.sh/hySRC/eddaed5d98.png

http://backpack.tf/vote/id/553cc352ba8d88e2598b47a4

Another 240 keys after overpay offer even willing to add on top. :)

^Hazmatten + 65 keys declined, I just dont like the hazmatten :c

http://puu.sh/hzHTz/1fc7bd0791.png

I can probably resuggest and just put it at 200 to 240. Sorry for the long response, my head hasn't been in the right place.

No worries, just gave me time for more offers. ;)