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As Noel Gallagher once said: "because we need each other, we believe one in another.." which has nothing to do with this thing.
Alright here's the proofs:
UNSOLD
old = created over a moth ago
young = created within the last 6 hours
poorly bumped = bumped over 3 days ago
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25670478 - 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25815107 - 2
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25770756 - 1.66 (poorly bumped)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25794923 - 1.66
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25830428 - 1.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23892105 - 1.33 (old, poorly bumped)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25796203 - 1.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25821781 - 1.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25771669 - 1.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25809073 - 1.33 (poorly bumped)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25680611 - 1.33 (poorly bumped)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25797006 - 1.33 (poorly bumped)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25799341 - 1.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25834019 - 1.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25833779 - 1.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25834720 - 1.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25838538 - 1.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25826584 - 1.33
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25766473 - 1.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25786871 - 1.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25790023 - 1.22 (poorly bumped)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25836542 - 1.22
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25792457 - 1.11 (poorly bumped)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25438490 - 1 (old)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25822267 - 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25838795 - 1 (young)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25838060 - 1 (young)
There's only 1 person who sell this item at bp price in the site itself!
(unsold) bp.tf listing (May 1th 2015 22:30 GMT +7) status:
@1 ref for 8 hours
@1.11 ref for 3 days
@1.22 ref for 2 hours
@1.22 ref for 2 hours (same person with the one above)
@1.22 ref for 19 hours
@1.22 ref for 23 hours
@1.22 ref for 1 day
@1.22 ref for 2 days
@1.22 ref for 5 days
@1.33 ref for 1 hour <- the only 1 guy who sells current price
SOLD
http://bazaar.tf/trade/1272179 - 6 sold @1.33 in a week
it's kinda hard to find the sold ones
CONCLUSION
The unsold listings at 1 ref should be the the lower price, and because there are still 6 sales at 1.33 ref within the last week, 1.33 should stay at the higher price.
Thanks! :)
Took a look at your proof and found that the arm can sell at 1.66 and possibly 2 ref (2 ref trade might be a bit too old for valid proof). 1-1.11 ref should not be in the range (as the only proof you have for both prices are young, quicksold, or unbumped/poorlybumped trades) and 1.66 might be a better high end based off the proof you provided.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25670478 - 2 - Poorly bumped, but sold at least 1
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25815107 - 2 - Unbumped/invalidhttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25770756 - 1.66 - Poorly bumped/Invalid proofhttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25794923 - 1.66 - Sold (Not in BP)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25830428 - 1.33 - Young
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23892105 - 1.33 - Restocker
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25796203 - 1.33 - Looks poorly bumped
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25821781 - 1.33 - Unbumped/invalid proofhttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25771669 - 1.33 - Poorly bumped/invalid proofhttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25809073 - 1.33 - Sold without a bump (Quicksell)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25680611 - 1.33 - Poorly bumped/invalid proofhttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25797006 - 1.33 - Unbumped/invalid proofhttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25799341 - 1.33 - Poorly bumped/invalid proofhttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25834019 - 1.33 - Young
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25833779 - 1.33 - Selling 2/Young
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25834720 - 1.33 - Young, selling 3
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25838538 - 1.33 - Young
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25826584 - 1.33 - Has multiple in his/her BP (Selling multiple possibly?)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25766473 - 1.22 - Poorly bumped/invalid proofhttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25786871 - 1.22 - Sold (not in BP)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25790023 - 1.22 (poorly bumped) - small chance it quicksold?
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25836542 - 1.22 - Young
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25792457 - 1.11 - Unbumped/invalid proofhttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25438490 - 1 - Old/Poorly Bumpedhttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25822267 - 1 - Unbumped/invalid proofhttp://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25838795 - 1 - Quicksold (Not in BP)http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25838060 - 1 (young)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25792457 - 1.11 - Unbumped/invalid proof -> currently online, item still on their BP
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25438490 - 1 (old) -> currently online, bumped 2 days ago, item still on their BP (no offer for a month or too lazy?)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25838795 - 1 - Young/unbumped -> currently online, no offer, item still on their BP
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25838060 - 1 (young) -> bumped last hour, no offer, item still on their BP
Currently online + item still in bp = no offer at all or change their mind, who knows..
how about the classified listing?
If the trades are unbumped or poorly bumped they should not be used as proof because they do not accurately represent the market. (Your young trades might be fine but they could easily quicksell, best to wait)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25792457 - Unbumped trade, does not accurately represent the market.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25438490 - Old and poorly bumped trade, does not accurately represent the market.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25838795 - Quicksold (Not in BP)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25838060 - Young, could quicksell
Classifieds can not be used as the main proof for a suggestion (your main proof proves that 1-1.11 ref should not be in the range).
this is why we shud set the standard of the definition of old and young threads, which i defined in the top of this sgt.
anyway, i found the amount of sellers at below 1.33 is more that the ones over 1.33 while it's hard to clarify the most update information from the market.
oh by the way, update from classified market:
Unarmed Combat @1 ref
Posted 5 minutes ago by .:[B.S]:. Kaktusz -> is now currently online
Unarmed Combat @1 ref
Posted about 9 hours ago by [Bear] Tben01 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) -> is now currently online and the item is still listed and in his bp
(http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198099230972)
lets see hows it going!
"Classifieds can not be used as the main proof for a suggestion" why? i dont get it.
lol i feel bad for lurking someone's bp
"Classifieds can not be used as the main proof for a suggestion" why? i dont get it.
Classifieds cannot be used as your main proof because, as clevepun states, "The backpack.tf classifieds are valid proof, but can be unreliable. They do not always update automatically, and when sold there is no history they were ever there."
They are perfectly fine as proof, however they can not be the main reason for justifying a price or part of a range because they are usually unreliable and there is usually no history of the trade.
i see, thanks for your information :)
http://puu.sh/hCrkQ/9b6dbba833.png<-sold 1.33
any admin to give respond to this suggestion? it's already 6 days :(
10 days now
15 days now
17 days. :/
Damon Albarn > Noel Gallagher
(Also this has been open for nearly 17 days, wot)
I could go either way. 1.33 seems the most common trade point. Are 1-1.22 common enough to include in the range? Hard to say. Going with the votes