Suggestion: Haunted Ghosts Black Watch at 50–55 keys

There was a buyout at 65 Keys, but the seller bumped only once. However, I guess it stayed on Outpost for probably a week, so I'm excluding 73 Keys out of the range.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25778175

I'm not quite sure about this hat. Current buyouts at 90 Keys. No offers.

~Roller

woah, that shitstorm :O I guess this seems viable though. maybe you could do minis on the hats from sales 4 and 5?

I will try doing a mini on Sale 4, but I can't search for any more sale on the MG Bonnet.

Update: I've priced the Flies Private on 26 Keys after overpay, and beams fruit shoot goes fine at 69, so 62 Keys. This then goes for 95 Keys. Adding an Earbuds on the sale will be capping the current buyouts on Outpost. Therefore, Sale 3 would be another outlier.

Another Update.

Reacher has sold his for Ghost Beak + Sweets with his Ghost Lid.

Ghost Beak (85 Keys) + Sweets (8 Keys) - Ghosts Lid (48 Keys) ~45 Keys

Before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198054509272?time=1431327600

After: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198054509272?time=1431797784

Valuing Ghost Beak at 92-96 Keys, as it would be unfair if I valued it at 87-92, since I'm also using this sale to price the beak.

In conclusion, This sale also supports this unusual being this low.

i sold my ghosts black watch for purple energy front+add , around of 115 keys .

I'm aware. Am I correct from the sale I've listed though?

" [Sale #1] Ghosts Black Watch + Max (26 Keys) for PE Front Runner (99 Keys) ~73 Keys

Before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197984385028?time=1430550000

After: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197984385028?time=1430636400 "

itsnt true he gave me also $ in paypal for around 10 keys , front is 110 keys btw , its false suggestion .

before u open that suggest ask me what he paid for me .

Overpay on front runner -> 110*0.9 = 99 keys, if he added 10 more keys the sale would be 63 and in the range. And whats the problem, you corrected his mistake, so all is good?

lol he paid 110 keys hat *0.9=99 keys +10 keys in paypal+ he added some proff ks stuff which worth above 10 keys , thats 120 keys offer . cancel thats suggestion its freaking funny

Oh the other way round. Well then you have an outlier there and your sale wont be part of the range and this suggestion is fine I guess.

the range is 50 keys i sold for 120 keys wtf really , close it or u got reported for false suggestion

There are 2 sales at 50 keys and one sale at 120 keys, and a b/o at 65 keys. So 120 is clearly an outlier unless there are multiple offers way higher than 50.

all the other sales is 1+ months , mine is 2 weeks most updated.

there is 2 months old sale which is not relavent at all , mine is the last which is the only 1 who should consider as a price suggestion

Buyouts at 93 and 90 on Outpost could easily proof that your sale was an outlier.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25733141 - 90 Keys - 3 weeks ago

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25943389 - 93 Keys - 3 days ago

90/93 keys isnt 50 keys , go open new suggestion on 93 keys i will support it , so far u should close that suggestion funny suggestion.

90 and 93 Keys is a Buyout. Although Buyouts are currently being acceptable by dropping the unusual, but sales are definitely preferred. Therefore, with 2 sales that are near to each other, this should be a better price than the suggestion that was last accepted 3 months ago.

u got here a sale for 120 kerys which u dont even consider as a sale , i really recommend u to close that suggestion

As I've said above, I've excluded 120 Keys out of the range because there are buyouts lower than your sale.

You won't buy a hat for 100 Keys when the buyouts on Outpost are 50 Keys, right? The prices we are using here should be reusable for other people to have an estimate of the amount that this hat's worth.

Backpack.tf is not a bible. This is merely an estimation of the unusual. If you think that this hat worth 120 Keys, I don't mind you countering me.

u are giving false information on the suggestion thing that can change what the voters thinks :

[Sale #1] Ghosts Black Watch + Max (26 Keys) for PE Front Runner (99 Keys) ~73 Keys

Before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197984385028?time=1430550000

After: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197984385028?time=1430636400

i sold it for 120 , change it or u got reported for that.

I can't change it, as it has already been published after an hour. Also, voters should already know that you've sold it for 120 as they will read comments as well.

u can change it , u need to close it and open new 1 , this 1 wont even pass its false suggestion that can cause u a ban.

What's the point if I'm closing and opening the suggestion again with the same range?

u need to tell exactly what was the sale for , u failled in that try a new 1 , otherwise this suggestion worth nothing.

The comments already said what it was sold for. This page already included all the information about this hat already. What are you trying to say?

It got corrected in the comments, so its ok. No need to make a new suggestion. People are supposed to check the comments as well when checking a suggestion and seeing the sales.

Will do if I found other sales of other items involving you in it.

As Shon has shown, I bought the Black Watch for 120+ keys, a 50 key price suggestion is just false.

How is it fake? There are numerous of sales around the 50 Keys range. Your sale is definitely an outlier if it's ~120 Keys.

So if you mention B/O of 90 and 93 keys on outpost as an argument, why is the suggestion for 50-55? You can't blatantly ignore the most recent sale, just because it doesn't suit your valuation. In fact, it could be more easily stated that the 50 and 55 keys sales are outliers. The 4th sale supports its current price of 93 keys, and the 5th sale would be somewhere in that region too. In fact, it even seems that the 2 sales you claim to be 55 keys and 50 keys are also wrong. GE L'homme is unpriced, and circling heart swagman is 73-92

From what can you say I have ignored the most recent sale? If I've ignored it, I won't include it into my suggestion.

I agree that Sale 4 should be around 70 Keys, but there will be no other support to back this up as Shon above has said that he sold his for "120 Keys". On the other hand, both of the sales, 50-55 back-ens each other up as to see they are both sales that are near to each other, and therefore, they should not be count as outliers.

Also, from your argument, have you thought about everything? Hearts Swagsman has not been updated for 2 years, which putting the old price in the range here would be invalid. Also, I've actually made both hats a suggestion about it. Please check every evidence before commenting again.

GE Homme: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/55570165b98d88fd158b46d4 ~61 Keys

Hearts Swagsman: http://backpack.tf/vote/id/5556fd42b88d88411a8b46d9

Why don't you try countering me by giving me some offers that are higher than my price instead? Your comments won't change anything on my suggestion if you don't have the evidence.

By calling it an outlier, you are trying to discard its valuation from having any impact on the final price. You also claim that the Max's was included, so 93+26 = 119. The pay was 120, so this would not be an outlier, but bang on market value.

There should be no problem with me commenting in response to facts that are misinterpreted, and it seems you are the one who hasn't fully appreciated all the evidence available.

My first sale was wrong. Could you please read through the comments first before saying something...

Shon said he sold his for "110 keys hat *0.9=99 keys +10 keys in paypal+ he added some proff ks stuff which worth above 10 keys".

This already countered your comment. It wasn't 93+26 Keys. Max was added on the Black Watch's side. My calculations should be correct either how.

Arguing will not get this solved if both sides are not backing up. Let's leave this for the moderators to decide instead of wasting our time arguing when we could have both enjoyed the 15 minutes of our lives.

Could you please refrain from giving me orders, I have understood this situation from all the comments, and am free to post comments in response to the suggestion.

Black Watch is 93 keys, Maxs Head is 26, so the total put forward by Shon was 119 keys.

PE Front Runner is 110 keys, plus 10 keys and pro KS sweets of 10 keys = 119 keys after taking away the unusual overpay.

So your calculation seems to be wrong, and there is nothing against me pointing that out. This is nothing personal, and you shouldn't turn this into comments directed at me. My response is to the suggestion, as I feel the facts are misrepresented and this could lead to an incorrect valuation.

My comments is not an order. I'm just giving my opinions, you could choose to follow it or not to follow it. I understand that everybody is free to post comments on suggestions, but posting it twice about the same thing will not get you anywhere.

The sale was:

"110 keys hat *0.9=99 keys +10 keys in paypal+ he added some proff ks stuff which worth above 10 keys". ~This is what Shon said, he was the seller of the hat.

And if you're talking about the one I've posted on my suggestion, it's:

Ghost Black Watch + Max = PE Front Runner, and not Ghost Black Watch = PE Front Runner + Max

And if you don't know how to check the sale, I'll give it here.

Max: http://backpack.tf/item/559478703

Black Watch: http://backpack.tf/item/3409563792

Front Runner: http://backpack.tf/item/1519105088

He have indeed added some specialized items, but they are worth at most ~2 Keys

So therefore, matching up both evidence will be 99+10+8-26=97 Keys

Which goes even higher than the Buyouts and therefore, it is considered as an outlier.

Anyway, I have said all that is needed now, hopefully the suggestion will be down voted and a more correct price can be put forward.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25733141 - unsold at 90 keys for a long time, the front runner sale is 100% an outlier, congratz on the sale tho.

@Roller: What happened with the ge l'homme?

Might wanna do a mini on the beams fruit shot and the mg glengarry?

GE L'homme can't be priced as there is one currently selling, and one of the sales involved a scammer and that leaves a sale which is usable.

I've now updated the Sunbeams Fruit Shoot, which after overpay should be 59 Keys. Therefore, adding on to the sale:

[Sale #4] Ghosts Black Watch + 3 Keys for Beams Fruit Shoot (59 Keys) + Flies Private Eye (26 Keys) + Earbuds (10 Keys) ~92 Keys

Before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198066195760?time=1426575600

After: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198066195760?time=1426669992

It would be too high for it to include it in the price range as there are buyouts at 90 Keys. :/

Anyways, the MG Glengarry was a 1 of 1. The other sale is this:

[Sale #1] Sold for Aces Data Mining Light ~9 Keys

Before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198091037460?time=1426099727

After: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198091037460?time=1426489200

Should be an outlier as it will be impossible for the unusual to be worth 9 Keys. Unfortunately, there's no other sales to price this.

It was ghost watch + 5 keys, so that sale would be exactly at 90 keys.

I dont feel like calling it an outlier right away, because of the higher sale that happened.

Yeah that glengarry sale is a clear outlier lol...

There is also another sale that I didn't mention on this unusual. This was once sold for Logo Bomber + 4 Keys + sweets. I was trying to search for more sales, but I guess this should be the time to update the bomber.

EDIT: In fact, the sale has just reached 3 months. :X

I guess I'll wait for some offers to show up first.

I guess I'll re-suggest when I've seen offers on Outpost that can at least give me some ideas of which one are the outliers.

Closing...