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http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26095472 - Sold for 40 keys pure (sold in ~1 day)
History of buyer before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197997127387?time=1433142000 (Had 41 keys)
History of buyer after: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197997127387?time=1433228400 (Had 1 key)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25654525 - Sold for max's head
History of buyer before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198160752094?time=1428562800
History of buyer after: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198160752094?time=1428649200
Max's head was 28 keys at the time.
(No overpay for both)
I spent a few hours on this ...
I'm not sure if this should be priced yet. The Max's sale sold without a bump and as you said, the 40 key sale sold in a day.
Both sales quicksold making them invalid to suggest a price on as it wouldn't accurately represent the value of it.
:c
The max's was being sold in multiple trades, and as for the 40 keys, yes it was sold in a day but it was not intended on being quicksold. Both sales could didn't quicksell and did not have a price to quicksold anyway
A quick sale =/= a quicksale. We'll see what mods have to say about this.
Yeah I meant quick sale. Though I think quick sales aren't the best proof either.
They were not quick sales
they were quick sales. a sale in one day is quick for unusuals.
Yes you are right
Haha XD, now that's funny.
Hmm, didn't notice the multiple trades. However, every single one of their trades for the Snaggletooth was never bumped. His priced went from 100 keys to 180 keys to 80 keys to 60 keys and as soon as he posted it up for 1 Max's, it sold in less than a day (someone offered to buy it 3 hours after the trade was posted).
Edited: As for the 40 key sale, it was a quick sale as it did sell within a day. Regardless, if 40 keys were to be part of the range, I'd say 28 keys shouldn't be.
like mega said a quick sale≠a quicksell. There is a difference
Was writing the reply before the other replies were posted (didn't refresh the page) so I didn't see Gent's comment. What's the difference? :o
A quicksell is when someone is intentionally selling for a lower price to get rid of an unwanted item. A quick sale is just when something unintentionally sells quickly.
No, it's not, intentions don't really matter that much at all. Someone could list a max's head for 50 keys with the word quicksell in the trade, that doens't make it a quicksell price (which they'll soon realise when no-one want to buy it.)
Just selling quickly doesn't automatically mean it's a quicksell, but it's definitely a factor.
Dude when I say a low price, I don't mean a price higher than the current price. I mean a price lower than what backpack.tf has it at. It may have been unclear with the use of "low" instead of "lower", so I changed it. In my opinion a quicksell is when someone sells something for a price lower than the bp.tf price with the intention of getting rid of an unwanted item. I never said that a quick sale is a quicksale so I don't know where you are getting that from.
There is no bp.tf price, what are you talking about?
You said that a quicksell is when someone is intentionally selling for a lower price to get rid of it - I am saying their intentions don't really matter. People say "quickselling this" all the time on trades when their price is not remotely a quicksell.
-_- Are you intentially being dense. WHEN I EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A QUICKSALE AND A QUICK SALE I'M NOT DIRRECTLY REFFERING TO THIS ITEM. I DID NOT SAY THAT A QUICK SALE IS WHEN SOMEONE IS INTENTIONALLY SELLING FOR A LOWER PRICE. I SAID A QUICKSELL IS WHEN SOMEONE IS SELLING SOMETHING FOR A LOWER PRICE. GOSH1
You're focusing on semantics and missing the point, you're also being quite rude.
When you continuously misread my posts and act totally absent minded I am going to get angry. Like I said. I never once refered to this unusual in perticular when explaining the difference neither would me or anyone else intend on refering to this unusual when explaining the difference. The fact that you read "quicksell" as "quick sale" even when I already have quick sale in the post later on also enrages me. Please GET my point through your head.
We're talking about whether these sales are quicksells or not. Not sure why you're posting any of this here if you don't consider it relevant to these sales?
I get your point. I disagree with your point. It appears you don't get my point. Once again - you are saying that a quicksell is when someone is intentionally selling for a low price to get rid of an item. I am saying that their intentions aren't really that relevant, as people regularly say their trades are quicksells when they're clearly not. There are other factors in whether something is a quicksell or not, and the time it took to sell is one factor. Again, I am not saying something selling quickly means it's a quicksell, I am saying it is one factor that is relevant to consider.
I'm not sure what you don't understand or why any of this would make you angry. Calm down, there's no reason to be rude to each other.
Yeah I also included with a price that is lower(I'M NOT REFERRING TO THIS UNUSUAL) than what bp.tf has it at makes it a quicksell in my opinion. What you see as a quicksell may differ as what I see as a quick sell. I see my point as a quicksell i because that is what I've experienced from trading my self. I sell stuff for a price lower than the bp.tf(once again I'm not referring to this unusual) People usually buy it from me rather quickly. I was selling it as a quicksale and it sold as a quicksale. That is why I think of quicksales as people selling something for a price that is lower than the bp.tf price with the intention(I know you see intentions as irrelevant but I don't) of getting rid of the item and that person is able to sell it, still with the intention of selling it for a lower price and wanting to get rid of it, within a few hours or so.
I am referring to this unusual as this is a suggestion for this unusual. You addressed none of my points anyway, even though they were general points that refer to any quicksell. Let's just stop spamming.
I know that; but I wasn't. I agree that the line between these sales being regular sales and quicksales is a bit blurry so I was explaining my stance on the difference between quicksales and quick sales. Since this unusual has no price these sales couldn't be considered as quicksales even if he said it was a quicksale, which he didn't, because there is no price for him to set his price lower than, so there is no way for a seller to know for sure what people are usually selling this unusual at so the seller can sell at a lower price than that to sell it more quickly than how long it would usually take for people to sell when they sell it for the current price which there is none.
tl:dr these arn't quicksales because there is no current price to determine what is quicksale and what isn't
So if he sold it for 10 keys, and there was only one sale, that's the valid price? No other factors are relevant in unpriced unusuals, only sales?
That is certainly an interesting theory. :P
Well yeah. If there are no other sales, a 10 key sale can be considered a regular a sale. If there are sales afterwards that are greatly higher than 10 keys, like 30 or 40 keys, then that 10 key sale can be considered a quicksale. Having a bp.tf price to refer to makes it easier to determine if it is a quicksale
If this sale was for 10 keys and there were no other sales, the mods would close this and say wait for more sales as it seems way too low. It would not get priced at 10 keys and then updated with more accurate sales later. That is not how this works. The reason that it's not how this works is because, as I keep saying, there are multiple factors in determining if something is a quicksell or not.
Anywho. This isn't getting anyone anywhere and I wasn't even saying that the sales above are quicksells to begin with, so let's just stop taking up space. I will not be responding again.
Yeah I never said to put the bp.tf price at 10 keys with that sale. I was just saying that the 10 key sale wouldn't be a quicksale until it had other sales to compare it to.
I see where you are going
Anon I agree with you as MegaGenta said: "If you set a regular B/O and somebody pays it in five minutes, that's not necessarily a quicksale.
Quicksellers are looking for quick keys and therefore selling below what is perceived the 'actual' price.
A quick sale CAN be at an item's actual price."
It's not necessarily a quicksell, but it could be one.
I'm not disagreeing with mega. :P
But it technically isn't
It could or could not be, based on a number of factors. How quickly it sold is one factor to consider. That's all I'm saying. :)
I agree, but a quick b/o is never a quicksell, for as quicksell and selling below the legit price (even though the croc doesnt have an actual price)
Just adding this to clarify because y'all seem to think I'm contradicting what mega said somehow
13:47 - MegaGenta: You're conditionally disagreeing with me, but only because I wasnt clear
13:47 - MegaGenta: We are of the same opinion :3
13:47 - Teeny Tiny Cat: Lol can ya tell them that :P
13:47 - MegaGenta: I'm not wading in there, god no X3
13:47 - MegaGenta: Just copy-pastethis :P
13:48 - Teeny Tiny Cat: Haha deal
If you set a regular B/O and somebody pays it in five minutes, that's not necessarily a quicksale.
Quicksellers are looking for quick keys and therefore selling below what is perceived the 'actual' price.
A quick sale CAN be at an item's actual price.
Bro I already explained.
Ahh, yeah that makes sense. Always thought it was the same thing since I never really saw people use it differently :P
Thanks for the info, will keep that in mind ^^
edited my previous reply, i need to sleep now ;-;
Wasn't sure who to respond to between Anon and Gent though Gent did mention the quicksell/quicksale thing first ;-;
Exactly. I just couldn't explain it, plus it doesn't have a price to quicksell from.
Well I agree, but it should still be in range
Why 40 keys wasn't a quicksale: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25730383
28 keys looks like it tho, I'm going to accept the counter suggestion.