Suggestion: Bonzo the All-Gnawing Danger at 120–142 keys

Yes i can, if i'm pricing X and it sold with Y and Z for A, i am allowed to exclude it as a complex sale as minis would be required and it would give an inaccurate value.

The only times i do this is when Y and Z are unusuals, which most of the time are either horribly outdated, gifted, duped or will massively overprice/underprice the value of the hat

or it's not as complex as you're saying but it would make your suggestion invalid for the 2nd time and ultimately making you lose rep

And the Sulphurous BoA is Updated in Price it was just updated 14days ago

1. Veil sold with Overclocked Jefe and thousands of other items for the BoA

2. This is the entire sale http://gyazo.com/38735cb0c1c541835654277ec7a94a3a do you REALLY expect me to denote a sale out of all that, when ALSO a Miami Nights Capper was involved somewhere in there?

3. Don't dislike my comments if you have no clue how suggestions work yo.

First of all, I am not the one who disliked your comments, and you're asking your friends to upvote your suggestions and comments and disliking mine apparently, since i instantly got -4 dislikes and you got 4+ likes which is against the rules. Second of all if you were serious about the suggestion he would take every sale into consideration no matter how "complex" it is

"A note about complex sales

Multi-hat trades involving 4 or more hats should be avoided when pricing unusuals unless the suggestion is for a high end hat (worth >10 buds). Basically, if a hat is a small piece in a large deal, that sale should not be used as proof."

Note this guide was written when buds were ~20 keys, so this hat is exempt from the exemption, as it were.

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-guide-for-unusual-price-suggestions/ From the rules, go and read them.

Or if that's too hard, here's a ball, go and bounce it.

But i am taking everything seriously in this suggestion, and by ignoring the sale i'm preventing a mishap in the suggestion that could possibly overvalue the Veil. The 200 clean B/O on classifieds has disappeared somewhere but i still remember it being unsold for a year.

And i don't call friends to change tides of voting, the community just thinks that what your saying has no basis of logical proof besides a plea to use a sale too complex to price the Veil

In your face I just sold this hat for a Clean Pro ks Houwar Flames+ Hot rod(Before Wrapping http://backpack.tf/item/204811010 ) + Cmoon Pugilist + Flip Flops (3key ) + Pro ks Normal sniper ( 3keys ) too "complex" riiiight Pugilist's price is Updated

Maturity level off the charts for the first 3 words

Good luck pricing the HOUWAR and the Sniper Rifle. You're going to need Minis for those.

The HOUWAR previously sold for a Misty Skull Cannonball, and at this point i look at the HOUWAR and contemplate whether or not it is worth it to find the value of the HOUWAR considering the sale would be about 180~ keys or even more (Considering the current outdated price of Cannonball), Which would mean the entire sale is an outlier in itself :/

Gotta price the Normal Prof KS Sniper as well <3

Totally not a complex sale.

While the sale is not anywhere near complex, the sale is just pure outlierish at this point

HOUWARS are pure so that would be about ~200 keys + about 31*0.9 + 6*0.9, about 230 keys, which is wayyyyy too far from any other sales, so it would be correct to consider it an outlier.

this may not be as relevant but the HOUWAR was up for a couple hours too http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26530277

Pugilist's has a B/O of 30 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26463654, and the guy above is selling for 25 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26538970, another for 31 http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26479258

Instead of seeing it as an outlier. It should tell you that the way you priced the other recent ones was wrong.

If one sold for 200 pure today you would just say "OUTLIER" and ignore it. I would like to see you try to buy this for this price

Also, I was offered the wealth wrap for the danger to be clear. There were 2 or 3 bills hats added to it for the danger. And you are using the wrap as 115? That makes no sense! The only two for sale at the time of trade were asking 175 and you are using a 100 quicjsell unsold in yours to price it that wasn't even being quicjsold at the time of the trade. You should use the wrap as 130 for this. Trade. Also, the private eye was also sold for an antifreeze old snaggletooth much more recently.

Ignore sentence 2 of that last one. :p

Oh god now you're here.

Let me diagnose your comment so you can finally understand you are repeating yourself over and over and over again. And i for one am sick of listening to it.

"I was offered the wraith wrap for the danger to be clear"

That's why i applied overpay to price a sale for the Danger. X offered on Y, i'm pricing Y, so X*0.9 = Y

"There were 2 or 3 bills hats added to it for the Danger

I saw no Bill's hats whatsoever. Show me proof Bill's hats were involved and i'll submit.

"And you are using the wrap as 115?"

That's what my Wraith Suggestion's mid point is, correct?

"The only two for sale at the time of trade were asking 175 and you are using a 100 quicksell unsold in yours to price it and it wasn't even being quicksold at the time of trade"

I only understood the first half of that. The fact that it is a 100 B/O unsold and is still unsold for a month is why the low end is 100. Not like you would listen to me and eventually still complain it's a quicksell.

"You should use the wrap as 130 for this"

Fake value, no.

"If one sold for 200 pure today you would just say "OUTLIER" and ignore it. *spam about buying for the price calclated in this suggestion"

If i sold a hat constantly for values around 130 key (ie here) and then sold it for 200 keys, i would suspect the 130 key values to weigh in more despite the pure count at 200. I doubt the current seller would sell at 200 again as this was and can be considered a lucky sale, considering the HOUWAR is Pro KS (It doesn't need a mini but collectors go for anything so idk possible enhanced value). Consequently, as a result of this, it would be wise to call it an outlier. Yes, you heard me, wise.

I guarantee you won't read all of this and just assume i'm a broken record saying "no" over and over again.

I am too, I hate price suggestions. lol look at your last sentence and that one. and read my last sentence. =^)

"Danger had no trade, but wasn't offered"

That's what confused me. Sorry, by the wording of it I couldn't tell if you were saying the Danger wasn't offered on or used to offer.

That is why I said "ignore sentence two of that last one". There were 3 painted Bill's hats added to the Wrap and Counter. That is what I presumed you meant by 7 Keys but apparently you didn't think that. 7 Keys were not added. 3 Painted Bill's were so your "7 keys" counts. That is why I said (once more) "ignore sentence 2 of that last one". I guess you didn't bother to read that one.

"That's what my wraith suggestion mid point is, correct?"

If you don't understand the full thing, ask, don't continuously attack what I'm saying if you do not understand. I don't think you understand this. I no longer have ANY PROBLEM AT ALL with you using the Wrath Wrap price low part as a Quicksell. Foamy the Fearsome explained it to me. BUT, you are using the low point of it because that is a Quicksell about a month ago, right? Well, during the time of the trade. There were only 2 sellers. sooo horny was selling his for 175 as was ThemDangDucks. ThemDangDucks offered the Wrap and 20 mixed on the Danger and I accepted. Then, after a few days, sooo horny decided to Quicksell his. The trade was complete before the other Wrap began being Quicksold so you are using a new price to price something back then. Price it with back then values. Back then, you could not use 100 as low point for wrap because it was not even being quicksold at that. So I am using the Wrap price suggestion you made without the low point of 100. You can use that for today's price but not to price items that were sold before your suggestion was valid. Your price suggestion without it would be 130. That is why I am saying the price the wrap at that for this suggestion.

If it sold for 200 Keys then that would make it a sale at 135 (wrap, real one, not yours), 150, (Private Eye - had another sale at 91 for Antifreeze Snaggletooth more recently to the trade http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3835446304,388,5 | http://www.tf2outpost.com/item/440,3837762422,229,5 ) , the Cosa is definitely more than 126 but I'll go with you and say it is 136. That is 140. Then the other one you admitted is 230, and I was not sure if you meant with overpay but I will go ahead and apply it. 210 about. I agree that by itself you could see this as an outlier. But, as I am saying, if it sold for 200 then that would mean there were three form 135-150 and then two from 200-210, I think it would be reasonable to say it would definitely not be an outlier. But that sale didn't happen. I was just asking to see what you would say if it did.

My point is, the wrap and Private Eye are both wrongly priced and it will definitely not be priced anywhere near 200 but a change to make it more accurate and actually correct would be nice. 135-150.

I read all your statements and respond. You treat me like an idiot. You are not a broken record. In fact, you have told me that I was just repeating myself and "spamming". So same to you. =^)

Your first non-spam response, i'm proud.

Regardless.

Your quotes about the Wraith are still invalid, sure you can complain it should be "priced as it was back then", but it still is not a quicksell if it's at 100 and not been sold. And still has not been sold after a god damn month.

The Private Eye is a confusing piece though and effectively needs a price suggestion bloody asap considering there are sales all around the place for it.

I won' even comment on your last sentence.

Your first time actually reading my response, I'm proud.

"Your quotes about the Wraith are still invalid, sure you can complain it should be 'priced as it was back then', but it still is not a quicksell if it's at 100 and not been sold. And still has not been sold after a month."

You obviously do not understand this. I expected you would, being a price suggestor, but apparently not.

The Wraith Wrap price you are using has a high of 130 and a low of 100, right? Well, back then, sooo horny was selling it for 175, thus your suggestion could not have been used with the low point, only leaving the 130. I agree with your current Wraith suggestion because Foamy explained the thing about pricing with low b/o's to me. BUT, you can not use a new price to price an old sale. That's like using today's bud prices to price the Burning KE sale.

Most recent sale before the purchase was the Snaggletooth which was 91 so 82 with overpay.

You just did...

*ahem* Now that you made it abundantly clear for the first time ever I can actually bring this upon a track we both know would benefit in regards to knowledge

You are allowed to use new prices for old sales, it all gets updated in the end, simple as that. No one is using buds to price the Burning KE sale anymore so i don't know why that analogy you thought was suitable

With a sale at the private for around 60 and another at 82 i would expect someone to make a suggestion soon.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26633113 - scorching swag - offered here - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26500753

Mini for swag

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26662742 - scorching belt. Both are barely outdated. Generally supports the price

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198123977468?time=1438153200 - 10 keys in sweets + arcana helm. We can use the other sale on the helm at 135 and this would still be ~135ish

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198059265081?time=1437634800 - added ~25 keys for a flies ushanka. ~180

There are a pair of higher sales here with everything else clustering around the suggested range. If someone wanted to go something like ~130-150, I wouldn't have a problem, but this is pretty close.