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    As you stated, this was a quicksell value. Note some of the offers, such as burning stash (425.5)

      Took almost a month to sell.

        Yeah, in bulk. So that's an invalid sale. The offer is a valid offer that proves this quicksell value to be too low.

          Actually, the Burning Stash offered is gifted.

          http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26518148

            Eh, it's "signed", you can argue it either way.

            I'll point out that Haxsaw has been offered above this value within six hours of putting it up for sale

            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26870341


            It's too low. That's unavoidable.

              There was a seller at 309 keys, took almost a month to sell it. There is another current seller at 309 keys. This is as good as two sales. Two people were/are willing to take ~310 for this hat, and that's the entire market for this hat.


              Okay. Let's look at this offer then. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26870341 Death at Dusk Hong Kong Cone + Scorching Flames Western Wear. Death at Dusk Hong Kong Cone is outdated at 310 and Julia rejected buying it for 180 on SCM. Even if you count it at 310, that offer with its outdated values would be 324 after overpay, which is close enough to the value here. Regardless, that sale would be capped at 310.

                There is a seller saying "using bp.tf prices as a rough guide." There is no current seller at 309.

                  https://i.gyazo.com/efc0960329c2a9e074353dd83ba87242.png


                  This screenshot was included in my proof.

                    An hour old quicksell is not a "seller".

                      It's supporting proof. There have been two sales. One bulk sale with a buyout of 309 keys. That sale took almost a month to sell. The other sale is used to price another item. Regardless of what the first bulk sale sold for, it had a buyout of 309 keys, which can be used to drop this hat. Then, the supporting proof further proves why 309 keys is accurate, as the next sale (which would be from this 309 keys seller) would be capped at 309 keys.


                      And also, I don't think 310 keys is low for this hat at all. I have actually owned a Something Burning This Way Comes Brotherhood of Arms, which is a hat very similar to this item, and I sold that for a similar amount. I also currently own a Demonflame Brotherhood of Arms, which I would take 310 pure in an instant.

                        The sale is invalid and the seller is invalid. It's as simple as that.

                        Moreover it wasn't unsold for a month. It didn't sell for under two weeks (which isn't really long enough for a hat this value), then sold while it wasn't even listed.


                        But fine, do what you want. If you won't listen to me, you'll have no choice but to listen to a mod.

                          The buyout of the first sale is not invalid.


                          Frost lists all of his hats on classifieds. Even if he sells it higher in value, the sale would be capped at 309 keys anyway.


                          polar would probably say something like "310 is close enough".

                            It's invalid because the trade wasn't open long enough. How many times must I say it, good god

    You're using a quicksell to solidify the price?

      'Cause a sale that took a month to sell is totally a quicksell.

        Where are you getting a month from?

        http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26648480 This trade was open 12 days, and hadn't been open for 10 days before the sale.

        It wasn't advertised when it was sold. It was a quicksell.

          Open on the 31st, sold on the 23rd. Okay, 3 and a half weeks.

            Open on the 31st of July, sold on the 23 of AUGUST


            I'm sorry, but, is your literacy ability the problem here? This is too low.

            31st July to August 12th. How many days is that, you tell me. This is not difficult.

              Yes, open on the 31st of July. Sold on the 23rd of August. That's 3 and a half weeks.

                The trade. Was closed. On August 11th.

                Jesus christ man, are you TRYING to wind me up

                  I'm talking about how long it took to sell the hat...

                    Which is irrelevant. Because he wasn't "selling" it after August 11th.

                      Frost lists all of his hats on classifieds.

                        Which can't be used as main proof for this reason. There's no proof to anybody how old they are, and thus a buyer can't ascertain how old a "quicksale" is. The classified listings don't matter.

                        And also you can't prove this hat was on the classifieds for that whole duration. Also a reason they're not proof.

      Well, sold for pure B/O in 2-3 weeks, that sounds like a quicksale for an expensive hat like this. But who knows... this could go either way.

        3 weeks is a fine period for a hat this tier.


        And it sold for less than buyout.

          My bad, i thought it was 309-310 pure keys. I guess it was keys + some sweets, i just got lost in that wall of keys.