Suggestion: Green Energy Berliner's Bucket Helm at 30–32 keys

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~58.5 keys

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Sale 1:

Sold for 30 keys pure

30 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26669758 (took 3 days)

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198038032442?time=1440399600 (August 24th)

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198038032442?time=1440486000 (August 25th)

Sale 2:

Duped one sold for 32 keys pure

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27098885 (took 5 days)

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198168571486?time=1442300400 (September 15th)

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198168571486?time=1443164400 (September 25th)

(he quicksold his Pro Aussie knife for 32, it was 32 keys and not the knife)

Sale 3: (outlier)

Sold for 25 keys

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26529644 (took 10 days)

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198058477744?time=1438239600 (July 30th)

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198058477744?time=1438498800 (August 2nd)

Notes:

If Duped and clean ones can sell for 30 - 32 very quickly the 25 sale is definitely an outlier.

I would use the duped sale to make both clean sales an outlier but that seems incorrect since the duped sale took longer than the clean one.

My sale at 20 keys was a quicksale, I was offered this through my quickbuying. The prior user did not have an outpost trade up for it.

Conclusion:

Going 30 - 32

First one is my sale, took 20 days, made multiple trades

Second took 10 days, again multiple trades

Third was my buy, 10 days to sello does not seem like a quicksale and this hat is not outdated.

Did you do this on a rush?

Oh I didn't realize the last suggestion was based on these same sales and that it was recent. (oh and you made it too) My logic is that a duped one sold for 32 which makes 25 seem like an outlier in comparison. Raising hats based on duped sales is valid but since this is already recently updated maybe this is wrong. I didn't know that this had been priced prior based on 2 / 3 of the sales I'm using.

25 is valid.

Current price is therefore valid.

Downvote.

I have an offer at 33.5 (with an updated hat) on outpost within a few hours. I think that combined with the fact that I have a duped sale at 32 and that the 25 sale is the oldest one here (2 months ago) makes it an outlier. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27137200

But you're right I didn't realize this had been priced recently with those same sales, I might be wrong but I'll see.

Updated hat, and so ~31 with overpay, within the current range.

It's not an outlier, it took 10 days. You are wrong, sorry <3

Well I declined it unless he adds 6 keys (and that was before I put up this suggestion) so I guess that supports the fact that, declining an offer that is at the highend of the current value does support need of a raise. Also again, in 1 day it will be a 2 month old sale making it invalid since there are more recent pure sales, and again the duped sale at 32. I'll wait for a mod's opinion.

Sorry about that huge duplicate lag post, happened to the other guy I replied to as well.

Not too sure 'bout this one. However, the 32 sale is far more recent than the 25 sale (which is nearly 2 months old). The 32 sale also took 2 days max, since the trade was listed 23th and sold 24th or 25th based on history listings. Time may have been lucky, but the 25 is by far the oldest. Maybe higher offers can back up the raise.

Stayin neutral for now

It's possible the sales at 30+ were lucky, in terms of time to sell. If they sold in 1 day? Maybe you could take 25 out then. But all these sales are perfectly valid, and you can't just ignore a lower pure sale that took longer than the others.

I paid the 25 pure and sold for 30, a guy offered me 29 quite a few times and i got many offers at 30+ un unusuals but wasnt on a hurry to sell. The hat indeed sells for more than the current mid price but all sales are valid as I updated this hat a month ago after I sold it.

"The hat indeed sells for more than the current mid price" That there, is proof this needs to be raised, and to your other claim in a 1 day that sale will be 2 months old and since there are sales less than 2 months old I am to take sales past 2 months with caution.

Sorry about that huge duplicate lag post, happened to the other guy I replied to as well.

AFAIK duped sales are valid when the hat is highly under/overpriced and there are no clean sales. So raising over a duped sale and taking out a valid pure sale seems weird.

Yes that's true. Even though it has nothing to do with this suggestion, "when the hat is highly under/overpriced" No matter what, you can't lower a hat based off duped sales even if there aren't any recent clean sales (so even if the only clean one hasn't sold for 3 years). Only time that is possible is when the only one(s) in existence are duped. Again that has nothing to do with this but just letting you know :P

I think this should be 25-32. At this level, dupes don't matter much. Just because a duped sold for 30 doesn't mean 25 should be discarded. If you can show that 25 is an outlier based on other sales and offers, you will have a stronger argument.

I declined an offer of an updated hat at 33.5 which is 31 with overpay. I don't know if that counts or if it would have had to have been 32 after overpay for it to work (since gent said 31 is in the current range but 32 is not(. The current range is 25 - 31 so if the range has to be 25 - 32 then this should be closed because that's too small of a change on an updated hat

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27137200 Mine sold for 31 pure in just over a week. Also there I had my declined offers (both of which fit in the current range), so imo that definitely supports the raise. The only one left on the market is the duped one.