Suggestion: Death at Dusk Ground Control at 122 keys

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~75 keys

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So this is going to be my first attempt at pricing an unusual that wasn't a all pure sale. Here is the proof of all the recent/semi recent sales of the hat none of which are usable at the time except for one.

Guy I bought from (Barst the Man) got it for a clean Miami Law (outdated at 94 keys).

Proof:

Last sellers BP (his name is Captain Blades) before sale: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198044052046?time=1442818800

His BP after: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198044052046?time=1443855600

Guy Captain Blades bought it from (MulletM8) sold it for a sunbeams valley forge (unpriced).

Proof:

His BP before sale: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198109209857?time=1441609200

His BP after: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198109209857?time=1441954800

MulletM8 got it off the unboxer (Mizloft) for what looks like nothing. No rep from a PayPal deal has been left, so I assume it was a gift..?

Proof:

His BP before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198201025428?time=1434870000

His BP after: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198201025428?time=1435561200

So that leaves me with my purchase being the only useable sale and there are no others on the market, only one other in the world. Bought it off of seller (Barst the Man) for a Sunbeams Harmburg and 19 keys pure.

Proof of deal:

My BP before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198152878663?time=1444719600

My BP after: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198152878663?time=1444806000

Barst's before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198025132482?time=1444633200

Barst's after: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198025132482?time=1444806000

Screenshot of completed trade: https://gyazo.com/9012dcff71b4a3aac98f4905acf13db7

MATH TIME!

114x.9=102.6 (overpay of the beams Harmburg which is updated at 114)

102.6+19=121.6

121.6 rounded to 122

Thanks for taking the time to go through all that with me. Constructive criticism is expected and accepted.

it sold for a duped scorching grimm hatte

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27087745 offered here, few keys were added.

It also indicates keys were added to it in the law trade. Seems like it was roughly 22 keys

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198054999604?time=1443414360 before

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198054999604?time=1443510000 after

5 keys were added to the GC in the grimm trade:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198025132482?time=1443423600 before

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198025132482?time=1443510000 after

The remaining 17 keys are still in doc's bp. So I assume it was GC+22 for the law and GC+5 for the grimm.

You can use both of those sales by doing a mini on both hats. A mini is basicly finding other sales on the hats that are outdated or duped to see what they would be valued at.

Thanks a lot man. Can't believe I missed that much, I'll be sure to use that stuff in the new suggestion and credit you if this isn't passed. Mind if I add you to ask some questions?

Yeah sure, feel free to ask anything ^^

Not sure how much it helps, but here is the trade history for the sale where I got the Ground Control: http://imgur.com/rUF6icY

Yeah, it confirms what Foamy said.

Well, not completely. I guess that scrap metal was the deal breaker.

yes it does. thanks man

You can't price this with just one sale, especially when you are reselling it: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27231691 . At least a month has to pass after the sale to be able to use it.

Doesn't really matter that I'm reselling it considering its the only sale that is useable. It is also not true that a month has to pass. look at the passed sunbeams harmburg suggestion. It sold yesterday and used that sale and got passed today.

It does matter. Read this guide: http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-guide-for-unusual-price-suggestions/

The Harmburg was already priced, so the 1 month wait "rule" doesn't apply in that case.

I also priced a mallard condor cap the day after I sold it and it got passed. Thanks for the tips and if this is declined then I'll be sure to wait to resubmit.

You sold it to a collector, which is an exception of the rule. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/54d5b880b98d88a56b8b464a

If you use the sales Foamy gave you, then you will be able to bypass the 1 month wait rule.

Damn. Lots and lots of rules lol. Mind if I add you to ask some questions? Also can i just close this and open another one in a bit with the added evidence?

Yeah no problem. I'm not an expert, but i guess i can help you :)

You can leave this one open while you work on the other sales. That way you can get more feedback.

So this is going to be my first attempt at pricing an unusual that wasn't a all pure sale.

I Bought it off of seller (Barst the Man) for a Sunbeams Harmburg and 19 keys pure.

Proof of deal:

My BP before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198152878663?time=1444719600

My BP after: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198152878663?time=1444806000

Barst's before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198025132482?time=1444633200

Barst's after: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198025132482?time=1444806000

Screenshot of completed trade: https://gyazo.com/9012dcff71b4a3aac98f4905acf13db7

It sold for a duped scorching grimm hatte,5 keys were added to the GC in this trade:

Proof of trade: http://imgur.com/rUF6icY

Before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198025132482?time=1443423600

After: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198025132482?time=1443510000

Time to do a mini!

Grimm is outdated at 170

One on OP (It is duped) asking for a PE Beak (outdated at 125)

Proof of trade: http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/256165355

Proof of dupe: http://backpack.tf/item/757336987

PE Beak (none on the market)

Another on OP (clean) declined a C. Heart Heer's Helm + 40 pure keys (helm is unpriced and 1 of 1, but probably not worth more than 90)

Proof of offer: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26958863

Proof of clean: http://backpack.tf/item/1575888517

Another on OP (clean) asking 230 pure (only one with a pure B/O)

Proof of trade: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27134936

Proof of clean: http://backpack.tf/item/2736218589

Since no other duped scorching grimm sales were available I messaged someone else that sold it (polar) and this is what I got: https://gyazo.com/336c40c279ca31b542517c2dc1b87c66

He sold one for 140 pure here: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25970443

And hat one with a B/O of 120, but got more in a bulk trade here: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27112972

So the value of the duped scorching grimm is 130

MATH TIME:

Clean Sunbeams Harmburg 114x.9=102.6 (overpay) 102.6+19= 121.6

Duped Scorching Grimm Hat 130-5=125 (added keys) GC offered on Grimm, so no overpay is needed.

Rounding for roundness 120-125

Thanks for taking the time to go through all that with me. Constructive criticism is expected and accepted.

here is what i think is good for a revised suggestion...thoughts?

I guess this should do fine yeah. The LAW sale is probably significantly lower, but based on the amount of keys added to the ground control in that sale, I guess at the LAW's current value, that sale can be considered an outlier. It could be used to update the LAW instead.

Your range should be fine here