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So apparently I am getting compare links now. No need to put the dates of the trade.
Sale #1
Sold for a Searing Fed Fedora (31.5) + S. Thermal Tracker (1.75)
http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198046845295?time=1443250800&compare=1443337200
No outpost link
31.5 + 1.75 = 33.25*0.9 = 30 keys
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30 key for this sale
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Sale #2
Sold for a O. Fire Bonk Boy (30) + 10 keys pure
http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198138913274?time=1441177200&compare=1441263600
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26934606 - no B/O
30*0.9 = 27 + 10 = 37 keys
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37 keys for this sale
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Sale #3
Quicksold for 27 keys pure (outlier)
http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198138913274?time=1441004400&compare=1440918000
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26905297 - quickselling B/O of 30
Not usable, QS.
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Sale #4
Sold for a Blizz. Storm Brainiac (36)
http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198051206974?time=1444719600&compare=1444806000
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27192086 - B/O of 60 lol
36*0.9 = 32 keys
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32 keys for this sale (supports range)
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Sale #5
Sold for Energy Orb Woodsy Widowmaker SMG (20) + 16 keys pure
http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198115464400?time=1444806000&compare=1444633200
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26940366 - B/O of 40
20*0.9 = 18 + 16 = 34 keys
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34 keys for this sale (supports range)
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Sale #6 (not usable)
Sold for a S. Magnetic Hat Protector Universal Translator (?? 38?)
http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198125985288?time=1445065200&compare=1445583600
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27239518 - B/O of 50
I mean there are sellers at 36 and 40 for it
http://backpack.tf/stats/Unusual/Universal%20Translator/Tradable/Craftable/95
I guess 38*0.9 = 34 keys, supports range but it is strange so it is invalid and it’s unpriced :/
Not a valid sale, unpriced unusual and is strange
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Minis:
Energy Orb Woodsy Widowmaker SMG: 20 keys ($40)
http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Unusual%20Woodsy%20Widowmaker%20SMG%20%28Minimal%20Wear%29 - recent sale at $40
$40/$2 = 20 keys
20 keys for this mini
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If anything seems off or odd, please comment below and I can fix it! Thanks!
Ya hi, I'm the guy from sale #4 who sold the blizz storm for this hat and I would like to point out a few things.
The trade I had with this man was not one unusual for one unusual he offered multiple items including the unusual as payment for my hat which at the time I was looking to sell for 45 keys pure or 50+ unusual offers. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26883689#latest (Funny that you yourself made an offer for it)
As you can see in the screenshots I took here it shows the trade that took place http://imgur.com/a/uuUl4 I sold my blizz storm hairpiece for 3 items Strange outback intellectual w/parts http://imgur.com/a/95Mln Sold that for $2.50, Professional Kill streak Vintage Conniver's Kunai which I sold for a Pro Killstreak Genuine Kunai(avg sell on comm market $10 dollars), Uncraft Fancy Fedora (5 ref) , and Rail Spikes(2 ref) roughly adding up to 10.87 + 2.50 outback=$13.37. Combine that with the Vivid Runner hat which I believe has a potential price right now of 45 keys(so about 90 dollars) judging by the sellers (including me) http://www.tf2outpost.com/search/257337829 which brings me to a grand total 103.37 dollars total. It is not fair to judge a price by what people are selling it for but considering I am trying to sell one myself I am going to fight for it
I argue that your range is too low and the evidence you submitted for my sale is not accurate.
1. Please don't write a whole paragraph, space out some sentences next time
2. Just because you were selling for 45 as a B/O doesn't change anything at that time, the sale still happened.
3. Let me do the math for your sale, now, if YOU yourself added stuff TO the brainiac, that is subtracting the total of the sale, I hope you know that, since the runner's warm up is unpriced, it doesn't have a set price, so we base it off the Brainiac's price of 36 keys.
So if I have this right...
Sale #4
Sold WITH a Strange Outback Intellectual w/ parts (1 key) + Pro KS Vintage Conniver's Kunai ($11 or 5.5 keys ($2 for a key, that's what we use for SCM priced items)) + 2 items worth 0.4 keys, coming up to a total of 6.9~7 keys.
Mini on Vintage Kunai:
http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Vintage%20Professional%20Killstreak%20Conniver%27s%20Kunai - to recent sales at $10.95 and $11, going with $11 for it here.
So with that info, you SUBTRACT that to the brainiac's price WITH overpay applied (*0.9) = (32 keys)
32 - 7 = 25 keys.
So you're saying this sale was actually 25 keys, instead of 50 keys, yes?
Look here, I know how price suggesting works, don't respond back saying, "Why the hell are you subtracting, that's not how it works, the runner's warm up is 45 keys." It's not 45 keys first off, it has no price, just because you had a B/O of 45, doesn't make it 45, it has NO price.
So concluding with that sale, the range should be 25-37, which I don't think looks right either. 25 looks like an outlier to me, so thank you for telling me about the things that were added to the sale, but it wasn't necessary. I'm not judging you by what you're selling it for.
Sales =/= seller's B/Os or offers. Sales are sales, they are what has occured through trading and has been done. B/O's and offers are temporary, and don't mean anything when sales occur for the unusual, unless the offer becomes the sale, then overpay is not applied.
Feel free to argue back, this is how price suggesting works and I'm sorry that your unusual sold for less, it is what it is.
1. I am free to write it out anyway I see fit no need to be rude about it mate.
2. I want you to consider if you will that at the time the brainiac hairpiece had a suggested value of 45 keys when I sold it. Now it has dropped which happens free market in all, but regardless at the time it still had a suggested value of 45 not 36.
3 I did not add any items on my end. I sold my hairpiece for the warmup, outback and kunai.
I do not understand what you mean by this part:
So with that info, you SUBTRACT that to the brainiac's price WITH overpay applied (*0.9) = (32 keys)
32 - 7 = 25 keys.
I AM NOT SAYING this sale was 25 keys. I am leaning on the fact it was around 45 keys. I believe that the potential value of the runner to be 45 keys.
Look here, I know how price suggesting works, don't respond back saying, "Why the hell are you subtracting, that's not how it works, the runner's warm up is 45 keys." It's not 45 keys first off, it has no price, just because you had a B/O of 45, doesn't make it 45, it has NO price.
1. I honestly have no clue why you are subtracting tbh. I am not saying that not how it works either, the concept of this free market system can get very complicated, so forgive me if I don't understand what you mean. I don't typically get too involved with selling unusuals so I am not familiar bigger tier concepts
2. I did not say it has a suggested value of 45 I said it has a POTENTIAL value/price of 45. Gut feeling I take a look at the hat and think what I can make for it.
3. I completely disagree with that range of 25-37 but seeing as that I am not understanding what you said earlier I can not counter. However, I told this you information not for the fact that you were missing items on the sale, but on the fact that you were not using the correct price of 45 at the time the sale was made.
I am not following how you believe price suggesting works in this case mate.
It's not how I believe price suggesting works, "mate," it's how price suggesting works in general for everybody, I'm not making this stuff up, I've had 50 suggestions accepted, I know how this works.
I have to do this suggestion based on the view of the warmup, so on the warmup's end, it sold for a brainiac hairpiece, but the guy added 13 keys in sweets. If YOU added the 13 keys in sweets with the brainiac, then that would be a different story, but you didn't.
If you're leaning on the fact that the sale was around 45 keys, go ahead, you can believe whatever you want, but a sale is a sale, you can't change it. You can also believe the runner has a potential value of 45, but I've said this 3 times already, you can't change the value of sales.
If an unusual is unpriced, you don't just take a look at the unusual and since you own it, try to sell it for something out of range that buyers will not buy it for, you need to be reasonable with the price and then you'll get good buyers and sell it for a good price. If you think you can get 45 out of it, go ahead and try, but I'm not taking this suggestion down, it'll have a flat price of 34.5~35 keys, you're welcome.
End of story, have fun with your new price, that is all I can say.
So let me get this straight here, it's how price suggesting works for everybody? I don't think its fair to say that considering for one thing I have no idea what you did here:
So with that info, you SUBTRACT that to the brainiac's price WITH overpay applied (*0.9) = (32 keys)
32 - 7 = 25 keys.
and another thing how many suggestions you have had accepted is completely irrelevant when it comes to saying how price suggesting works for everybody. Just because you have an idea of how it works, does not mean everybody else thinks the same way.
There's are price suggesting rules is what I meant, sorry for wording that oddly. If you don't go by them and your math is off or you calculated something wrong, then the whole sale and suggestion is wrong, I have an idea of how it works because I read the rules just like every other suggestor has, and they make prices for unusual's too, just like this one.
The only thing different with us suggestors is our formatting, that's just how fancy or neat our notes want to be.
I know it's not fair you don't know how price suggesting works, but if you wanna start learning, add one of the experienced guys here and they'll teach you and read the rules for price suggesting, it's that simple. So it is fair, it's just people don't like politics and economics, and they don't pay attention to how prices are made.
For the brainiac, we are looking at it from it's point of angle of the sale, since the runner's warm up is UNPRICED. Since we're looking at it from the brainiac's point of view, the person with the runner's warm up included 2 things worth 7 keys WITH the warm-up, not WITH the brainiac. So from the brainiac's point of view, the person who had the warm-up was adding items to match the price of the Brainaic (which is 36 keys atm, updated price). Since he neither offered on each other's outpost the sale, overpay is applied (it's a weird rule, I don't understand it at times myself). So, 36*0.9 = 32 keys. Now with the sweets that were added, you must subtract those to the total value of 32 since the person with the warm-up was trying to MATCH the price of the Brainiac. So, 32 - 7 = 25 keys, making the warm-up worth 25 keys and he added 7 keys to the deal, which totals it back up to 32 to double check.
Now, if one of you guys offered on each other's outposts, or offered in chat and have proof, then no overpay would be applied, leaving the brainiac at 36 keys. 36 - 7 = 29. Making the warm-up then worth 29 keys. 29 + 7 = 36 (the price of the brainiac), seems fair, yes?
I'm not making this up, this is what all price suggestors do, I learned from the best and I still follow their rules and regulations for every suggestions I make. Me having 50 or so suggestions accepted shows you that I know what I'm doing, instead of making stuff up. This is how it works.
Once again, it's not my idea, it's how everybody does their price suggestions. Go check them out. No matter how much you try and fight this suggestion, I'm not closing it. They're fair sales that 2 sellers chose to do, can't undo that or deny the sales unless they're quicksales (which in this case, they weren't).
My argument was and still is that you are valuing the trade incorrectly. AT THE TIME OF THE SALE the brainiac hairpiece was worth 45 keys NOT 36. Therefore you math itself is incorrect because you're not using the correct prices at the time the trade was made.
I am familiar with the rules but this overpay applied rule your talking about I have never heard of tbh. If this is one of those "implied" things that's not actually written down, its not a rule. Unless you have an official page saying it is a rule or a moderator who can make ruling about it, then I am not gonna believe you when you say it is a rule.
1. We don't use the price of the item at the time being. I thought that myself when I was a young suggestor, but you only use the updated price the unusual has at the moment, so I am not wrong with the math, that's how it works with all suggestions, I told you already, go look at other suggestions instead of mine. My math isn't incorrect, it's right on target actually.
AND EVEN WITH THE 45 KEY PRICE THAT YOU OH SO DESIRE THAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT IS WRONG STILL GOES WITH THE RANGE
45*0.9 = 41 - 7 = 34 (goes along with range)
So stop complaing about that, we dont use the price that it was when the trade happened, it has an updated price of 36 now, so stop complaining, that's what we use. Your 45 isn't going to change anything.
2. http://backpack.tf/help/suggestions here is the help for making suggestions, go read it, overpay is applied on unusual's prices that have NOT been offered on.
And if your jimmies are still rustled about this overpay rule, here is an experienced price suggestor who uses it on Sale #2 with the Morning Glory Hat of Cards and Green Energy Scotsman. http://backpack.tf/vote/id/563fd597dea9e9fa477f7720
Stop replying back, you're not doing anything for yourself or me by just discussing stuff that I already went over that still makes the range of this suggestion valid. You're filling up my notification box, stop.
Go complain to the guy who did Sale #1 at 30, not me, that's what sets the low end of this price suggestion in the first place...
End of story, if you reply back one more time, I'm not replying back, I already explained everything, so either move on, or keep on complaining, neither of them is going to help you, and it's not going to change my mind on this valid suggestion either.
Good bye and have fun with your new price soon.
1. As you can see in my history I don't suggest any prices and I have not voted on anything in a long time, so excuse my arrogance when I apply simple common sense to the situation when I don't know what the ruling is. I never your said math was wrong I simply stated that I thought you were missing a crucial component, again did not know the rulings.
2. You do realize in that link there is no mention of that directly, however there is a link that leads to a page that does mention it so again did not know the rulings.
I am doing something for myself, little thing called learning about this process. You went over this stuff before, but you did not provides links explaining it in better detail for someone who as you can obviously see does not know about much about it. Thank you for providing the information this time.
Good day
Dude, the time of trade is irrelevant to the prices used for calculating overpay, we use the most up to date prices because anything older would be considered outdated. Heck at the time of your trade the price of the brainiac WAS OUTDATED.
Just bought mine for keepsies for 34 keys with the seller adding 2 ref. Some supporting proof <3
Thanks! :)