for your gift wrap suggestion,

the gift wrap is very common, so only one single sale is an outlier

Hey, well i'm doing my best then we'll see what happens.

The requirement of a raise are buyers, and on bp.tf are at 16.33 however if you go to tf2outpost you will be able to find a lot of buyers lower than 16.11 which against basically make your 16.33 buyers worthless, plus add the sales and sellers at 16.11 and less + scrap.tf, of course people never count it, but guess what, it does count and i'm sorry if you go on it when they have 0 keys in stock, but why 0 keys?

Because people are buying them at 16.11 as they have seen a suggestion of 16.33 on bp.tf which means if they go up, they will have made profit, but i'm sure you didn't count that, did you?

It is not a needed raise, why would it be needed? 16.11 ref is a very "affordable" price for those who just started to trade and have got a few keys, think about it, if the price goes up to let's say 20 ref, it would be even harder for new traders to get to the same backpack price as an old trader (probably like yourself), don't take in count only big traders because there are only 250,000 people that have a medium price backpack, which 100.000 of them or less has a very high backpack, however there are more than 500,000 playees who are part f2p and part young traders.

Yes a raise would benefit my backpack too as i own 4 keys but it seems very pointless to me a raise at this moment and in this economy.

Buds have just stopped lowering and if keys are going to go up it will only affect the market even more.

Forgot to say that 16.11 is not a low price, as in right now, 16.11 is the "right price" and 16.44/16.33 sellers are basically people selling it at a higher price than the one expected.

And sellers at 16.11 ref which makes your buyers unnecessary :)

Deal, let me finish college tho :') and i'll replay as soon as i can.

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ok

even if it did sell at the current price, if it sold quickly, then its a quicksale meaning its too low

in other words, just because it sold quickly at current price doesn't mean it can't be called a quicksale

almost all key changes were barely 1 scrap changes. this is provably the biggest change for a key

oh I forgot, you're new to this site :)

your math is extremely biased. You are implying all TF2 players are traders, which is not true. 250000 comes from nowhere, and you're letting out a ton of variables here. Not all traders have "getting a key with ref" as their milestone. In fact, probably <1% will have that specific milestone. (by the way, by increasing the price you dont take away the milestone, you just give them a challenge to make the milestone a "worthy victory"). To give a representation of what part of the community benefits from this has to be relative to the part of the community that is influenced. which is only people that trade in TF2 items. There's plenty of people that dont play tf2 anymore, but still trade. almost all "new traders" which you are "demotivating" are people that want to trade the first weapon they find for the weapon they like using in the game. They dont care about refined. They dont care about keys, or hats, they want to play the game.

Well now, if we narrow down to the trading community, there's various different ways in which someone can benefit from such a raise. People that own them "increase" their bp value in refined I guess, but that's only a minor benefit. Practically every trader benefits, because they now have a clearer indication of what refined sells for. That's the purpose of this site. According to your logic, new traders would benefit from this site displaying a lower price for keys. The only thing it may do is give them false hope, because people simply dont sell their keys for less ref. Who would benefit from bptf returning key prices to 4 ref? It only makes the price inaccurate.

Other than the fact that the percentage comes from nowhere, it is kind of weird to say that if 45% can benefit, its not worth doing. What makes those 45% unworthy? If a bug in a game gets complaints from 45% of the community, you can be sure that the makers will fix the issue, because they will care about the approval rating of such a major part of their players.

All of this is beside the point, as the amount of people benefitting from this is a subjective matter (based on your defenition of benefit), which is unmeasurable and irrelevant for the suggestion's accuracy.

If you want a key, buy one. Pay the store the money it costs to get a key. There, it did not get any harder to start trading, if you consider "getting a key" the "start of every trader".