Suggestion: Circling Heart Head Warmer at 750 keys

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~180 keys

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This suggestion was accepted Sat, 05 Dec 15 06:12:40 +0000 by A Delicious Cashew™.

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Even taking into account my screwy maths this is still a crazy amount for a heart head warmer and I should know because I paid the last crazy amount

Couple of things:

I am not a regular submitter so any advice is welcome. Feel free to point out errors.

If you want to take over the submission thats fine as well. I'm not after a pricing black belt.

I would like this baby's price updated and I don't care who does it.

The Trade:

Beams Neckwear + Cloudy Moon Head Warmer + Morning Glory Deep Cover + Cloud 9 Beak

for

Heart Head Warmer + Purple Energy Pyromancer

Woolen's BP Before http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198051476520?time=1447142400

Woolen's BP After http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198051476520?time=1447315200

Beams Neckwear: 350 keys http://backpack.tf/vote/id/56333dbdba8d884525a94aae

Cloudy Moon Head Warmer: 230 keys (see mini)

Morning Glory Deep Cover: 190 keys (see mini)

Cloud 9 Blighted Beak: 160 keys (current - 2 months old)

Purple Energy Mancer: 173 keys (current 13 days old)

Heart Head Warmer = (350 + 230 + 190 + 160) - 173 = 757 (rounded 750)

Cloudy Moon Head Warmer Mini

Can't see trades with the last 3 months. There was one around 4 months ago.

Cloudy Moon Human Cannonball (342) + Cloudy Moon Head Wamer (?) + Ghosts Bomber (245-260)

+ Lantern Modest (175-215) + Green Fetti Modest (39-44) + Beams Topper (30) + Dusk Bone Dome (28)

for Scorching Hazmat 1020)

1020 - ((342 + 253 + 185 + 41 + 30 + 28) * 0.9) = 230 keys

It really is an indicative price as this is the only trade I can see and even then its 4 months old and my maths is at best crap.

Before: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198019254407?time=1435647600

After: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198019254407?time=1435734000

Morning Glory Deep Cover Mini

Poisoned Shadows Brotherhood (310-360)= Morning Glory Deep Cover + Cloud 9 Cloud 9 Blighted Beak (160*0.9=144)

Morning Glory Deep Cover = 335 - 144 = 191 (rounded to 190 keys)

Before http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198019254407?time=1446451200

After http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198019254407?time=1446537600

Hoping I got this right.....................

I would personally of rounded 757 to 760, but if you want it at 750, that's fine, it's just 760 is closer.

This sale makes me want to cry myself to sleep because I love headwarmers, it's my favorite hat.

GG on the sale, upvote.

Got some suspect math in there Zenith. Thought 750 was a safer amount.

Don't know what you mean by "safer," both prices are fine, it's just usually I see people round up with 6-9, just saying.

750...for this??

rare, owners are collectors, and sorta cuddly themed

Finally in the club C:

upboat, can confirm all proof

Congrats. Never thought Woolen would sell it.

Neither did I, it was either this or bug TK for 50000 years till he sold his

I've tried the bugging TK part, never thought woolen would actually sell :(

Congrats on getting this beauty though, don't mind me if I start bugging you about it

I'll welcome it c;

Never thought woolen would sell it either.. Thought your purchase 10 months ago was insane. Then I thought woolen listing it for 600 was insane. But then he sells it for this much, literally 2x burning

Only sale in ~9 months, I forget when TK bought theirs exactly. Values in issue here would be the moon headwarmer and the deep cover. I'd pay 200 probably for the moon headwarmer, so thats supporting the value. Deep cover had a recent sale for a duped burning anger, so it's value is low if anything.

Also rip any chance I get this for my collection ;c

Noticed the lowest price for a duped is around 270 keys so yeah my price is a bit low by around 50 keys I reckon. You want me to amend or you comfortable to let it ride?

It was DCO + flies trophy belt for the Anger, and there is another sale at 175(what the sale here should be valued at, the overpay is ALL wrong). I'm working on that suggestion.

Cashew, didn't you tell me this sale had a B/O of 600?

In which case this needs to be capped at that.

It did originally have a buyout of 600, I saw it at that and I'm sure a few others can confirm. However the trade now says "offers": http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27390586

I'm hoping this was changed a decent length of time before the sale, and it isn't an attempt to prevent the hat's value from being capped at 600 (not that bp.tf matters when it comes to pricing Unusuals of this tier).

Nonetheless, a B/O is a B/O, I'm willing to wager thee seller would have accepted 600 pure in a heartbeat.

This should not be an exception to the rule and should be capped at 600.

Doesn't matter what the trade said at a given point in the past, if at the time of the sale the seller was looking for offers, then there shouldn't be a cap placed on it. Doesn't matter what you *assume* the seller would take, it's what the seller was offered and he accepted.

The "given point in the past" was like 1 or 2 days ago. I can say i was like 99% sure i saw the 600 keys B/O as well, only to find out it says "offers" now. Not sure if it's valid now, though.

I'm not disputing that it was put up for a 600 key b/o (edit: at one point within the 4 days) but if it was changed before the point of the sale, and there's no hard evidence that it was an attempt to remove the cap, then I don't see why this suggestion isn't valid.

The B/O was changed remarkably close to the time of the trade. It wouldn't be unreasonable to suggest removing the B/O was a manipulative act by the seller so this could be priced higher...

Do you have any proof of when it was changed?

It's impossible to prove, but witness testimony suggests it was very soon before the sale actually occurred.

That doesn't really prove anything if nobody had any evidence of it, that's like making a price suggestion with no proof and saying "I saw it sell for this much". If you don't have any solid evidence of price manipulation, then there's absolutely no reason to close this suggestion or put a cap on it. Being an active suggester of prices like yourself, I would have expected you'd be the last kind of person to make proofless claims c:

It's not proof less, Cashew has confirmed it. Don't make this personal.

Just because a mod has seen it doesn't make that solid proof dude, and besides, I've spoken to cashew about it and even he's not 100% on the times. I'll end this since we're just going to go around in circles, but no proof = no cap. Simple as.

Solid enough for the suggestion.

This suggestion is flawed for plenty of other reasons anyway, I'm not going to come up with another.

I know what the rules are. I'm saying that if the price was changed before the buyer approached the seller (i.e. there was no foul play to prevent the buyout from capping) then 750 keys is all good.

Was more directed at magenta than you, but yeah, I agree

Thanks MaGenta. Cashew told me there was a anger sale but I couldn't find it so used the one above.

Cashew also mentioned a BO of 600 but I checked the trade and it said offers so I had to run with that.

Also happy to work with whatever info you provide or you can take it over. I'm not precious either way. I would be happy for this sale to be updated right and it doesn't worry me who does it.

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197994933458?time=1447401600&compare=1447488000 Supporting proof for deep cover

Neckwear suggestion was accepted

Cloudy Warmer hasn't had an usable sale in a very long time.. 230 seems decent though from my experience with headwarmers, maybe even a bit conservative. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27454806 First offer here should support that as well

Reporting the sale here, this should be fine