Suggestion: Frostbite Electric Escorter at 20–22 keys

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~61 keys

frostbite

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This suggestion was closed Tue, 08 Dec 15 16:27:11 +0000 by the submitter.

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Trade 1

http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/927767

B/O 25 Keys

Trade 2

http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/614724

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198125791160?time=1448179200&compare=1448265600

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198070377972?time=1448179200&compare=1448092800

18+1.3

19 keys

B/O 22 Keys.

Trade 3

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198139725877?time=1448265600&compare=1448179200

20 keys

Your Outpost links on trade 1 and 2 are wrong, you gave the user and not the trade.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27472624

that is for dedandrei's trade which is 22 keys b/o

That is 25 b/o

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27546370

They were literally in the first page of the links i posted before...

Where are you getting 1.3 from? Is it sweets? If they are then that's deductable not adds.

That sale is therefore 18-1.3 = 16.7 (round to 17)

If a trade doesnt reach a B/O then you cant use the B/O you have to use the amount that was given. If I sold a 20 key hat for 25 keys but had a B/O of 30 that doesnt make it that my hat was worth 30.

So you have pulled your high end from a B/O that wasnt reached.

Your trade 1 25 key B/O seller has not sold so you cant use it. Unusuals dont get raised because sellers put the B/O higher than the current value of the hat. In some cases it can be lowered if the hat is failing to sell for a certain amount and is outdated but that is not this circumstance.

That B/O from trade 1 has also not been sold for over a week. Your only sales are:

17 and 20. There is your range

Yes, you are right about it being 17 and not 19 but it is capped but buyout of 22. I have never said i was using the 25 buyout for the range. I just mentioned.

22 is a cap only if the trade is over the B/O. If it is not reached you cant use the cap. Sold for 17 so you use 17.

I gave you an example above:

If a trade doesnt reach a B/O then you cant use the B/O you have to use the amount that was given. If I sold a 20 key hat for 25 keys but had a B/O of 30 that doesnt make it that my hat was worth 30.

No. I have done it before B/O caps both upwards and downwards.

So you are claiming that If I sold a 50 key hat that I placed a B/O of 80 but only sold it for 45 then the hat has to be worth 80 since that was my B/O? That isnt how it works Iron Man.

If you said you have used it this way before please show me the vote id?

Yes, it does. If I say I am selling keys for 20 ref. That means everyone thinks I am selling it for 20 keys.

But I actually sell for 16.

Everyone stll thinks I sold for 20 unless they check my trade history. Most people dont do that.

I am pretty certain that is price manipulation if you used that on a suggestion as well as misleading trades

There is no manipulation. If you sell a hat asking for 100 at the time, lets say 3 months ago. You will accept offers for 110 in overpay with 10% But if 3 months later i do the suggestion and end up finding out that one of the hats that was offered as overpay is 50 keys less that means you accepted an offer for 60 keys instead of 110.

The buyout of 100 will protect the hat real value at the time and keep it 3 months later. Without a buyout your 3 months old trade loses 50 keys in value.

Trades older than 3 months arent included in a suggestion as they are seen as outdated so this point you are trying to make is invalid.

In the case of your metaphorical situation however, if the trade was still in date then the hat (if unsold) would need a drop as it shows it cant sell for that much anymore. But that is also why we try to use all sales on a hat as this can give a range or show outliers. So the hat could end up losing 50 keys on the old sale but if newer sales supported its existing price then it would most likely stay its existing price.

There is a sale for 20 keys pure. I think that is good enough to say the 17 is lying a bit and they buyout at 22 caps it.

There is no 22 as the trade never got to the B/O. And how is 17 lying?

It is lying a bit that is out my range.

The Seller was asking for 22. If you see a trade asking for 22, you are expected to at least offer that. Many buyers will say that the seller wont sell for less than that. I would not even offer a hat worth 18 if the buyout was 22.

I bet there was some people that wanted to offer 20 but didnt try cause of the buyout price

Your range is wrong and the evidence shows that. You cant just claim that the sale you used for your high end of 22 then turning out to be 17 (which would be a low end) is wrong just because it doesnt fit what you have said this is worth and then ignore that 22 never happened

I guess we will let the mods and the voters decide who is wrong here. I can not make you understand but I did try.

Please show me all suggestions where you have down upwards b/o caps please because that's just wrong.

Sale 2 was 1:1 with a dbd conquistador which is 18 keys or 16 after overpay. Resuggset at 16-20 please since there is NO b/o upwards capping (that doesn't even make any sense in the slightest, you only cap if the sale was higher than the b/o).

Edit: Also, you are just speculating, speculation has not much place in suggestions. Traders sell their hats for less than their buyout all the time, if you think 16 keys is an outlier then you need to prove it with constant higher offers and other sales. You can't just make the price higher because you feel that this would be more accurate.

I closed a suggestion because there was a 13 key sale but the buyout was 28. The hat is not selling that well not even for 25. Everyone was telling me that a higher buyout was more important that the actual sale so I took for granted that B/O saved the prices both ways.

I dont think the Conquistador needs overpay since it was not offered. The Frostbit should have 17 as lower end

Well whoever told you that is wrong, or you got that out of context here.

Well if you can proof that the frostbite was offered on the conq then you can do 18 keys for that sale.

I dont think the conq was offered cause it belong to Dedandrei he most likely got the other trader to overpay.