Suggestion: Burning Flames Coldsnap Cap at 350 keys

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~180 keys

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Not too sure about this one - been a while since I did this stuff. All help is welcome! :)

Huge credits to my friends HLmilk and Dave for the assistance with this.

#Sale 1 - Sold for a RoboActive Snaggle (146) + 211 keys pure.

Proof : http://imgur.com/VOOGCPN

http://imgur.com/PDMQ8ru

http://imgur.com/s13D8Xn

RoboActive Snaggle is also hard to gain a figure as there is simply not many sales at all and also it is 1 of 1 in the world - for this matter of fact I will simply price at 146 as it wouldn't be much larger due to Yahia trying to quicksell it just a few days ago :

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27623072

Time for the Maths :

Snaggle - 146*0.9 = 131.4 Keys + 211 Keys PURE

131.4 + 211 = 342.4 Keys (Approximately - rounding to 350 keys)

Looking at this sale, I reckon it is a accurate representation. However, all assistance and advice is much appreciated, thank you very much.

Guess the Scorching > Burning idea remains in some cases. :)

RA snaggle is to old price, we need wait sale. Painful ikr

Edit : i think Yahiamice got offered way more . I personally got no proof but lets see can yahia proove it

LET IT RIDE

He couldn't sell the Roboactive Snaggle for a 50 keys "discount" for 3 days, I don't see how 146 keys would be an accurate price for it.

This sale seems like a shark to me anyways

outpost mods are aware

Yahia originally offered 2 Hong Kong Cones worth well over what was paid, so that was the Seller's decision.

I did notice that yeah, wasn't sure what to do though as it wasn't a sale yet technically official offer but ay let it ride! :D

That also shows that this sale is an outlier.

Need a new sale to price this.

In my opinion this is not a shark, both individuals have said they are happy with the sale and the unboxer has confirmed to me that he is more than happy for what Yahia paid.

Well, if I unboxed a god tier unusual by only using 1 key, I would be happy with a 100 keys too, that's still 99 keys profit, but the hat could get a lot more than that.

The first offer Yahia made is over 700 keys, that shows that this is an outlier for sure.

The seller is new to trading, so he just accepted what he tought looked nice.

His first offer is 500 keys max :S? MG HKC + D@D HKC ~500

D@D is Outdated.

It was shown in a recent mini to be about right.

Either way that offer's enough to prove this price is low.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27631573 250 key buyout so its not worth more than that.

Oh, I tought it was the Crone's Dome that's why I wrote 700 keys, but still a lot more than 350 for sure

My sale should that be considered an outlier due to these cases:

1) The time factor. I offered, at first,on his outpost trade litterally not even 24 hours after it was open. When we agreed on that deal (my keys and the snaggle), i politely asked him to close his trade while waiting for his hat to become tradable. I bought it AS SOON as it became tradable. There's a matter of quicksell here.

2)Snaggle can't be mini-ed. Sales in the past 3 months are all either untraceable or sweetstakes wins/losses. Myself won it in a ss pot.

3)This sale is ridiculously low compared to the sales that happened on January 2015. Sure,they're old,but they can determine what that hat can go for. It sold to a collector for a GE KE + ~~800 in adds,i believe.

proof of the past sale?

Past owner told me that in my past trade. Histories only show the GE KE ,but i guess it's convincing enough. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27645061

The snaggle mini being bad is the only reason this is invalid.

Thanks for the advice mate, and yes I agree with that this is more than fair as far as pricing the coldsnap is concerned, especially with it being unpriced currently. Any advice on the snaggle is much appreciated however, it was a little hard for me as its 1 of 1 and has a lack of sales :)

It's currently impossible to mini, so this is currently impossible to price.

Please close this suggestion.

There are no available sales to use as a Mini either.

I don't feel like it was a shark. He won't get 1000 keys anyways. As you can see, the past owner couldn't quicksell this hat at 500 keys. TF2 Market is not the same as 2010-2013. With the years coming the unusual market is more little and cheaper. IMO, the range of this hat could be at 300-550 keys, more than that is exaggerate

I completely agree however, there is currently nothing here to suggest its even at the 550 key point, in my opinion anyway! :) Thanks for the advice and yeah, I agree the market has changed hugely regarding prices ! ;)

It wasn't a shark, he offered 800 in unusuals first, they are outdated so probably around 600-700.

He might not get 1000 but this is definitely too low.

You say that the RA snaggle failed to sell at 50 keys above? Were you mistaken here because I cannot find evidence suggesting that, thanks for the advice may I add! :)

I said that it failed to sell at 50 keys below the price you are using for it.

The link you provided is the "Quickselling for 95", but you used 146.

Oh my bad sorry haha, if this is changing factor of it getting accepted or not, I will re-suggest

I think it would be best to wait for a new sale and the suggest.

I think there is sufficient here to be accepted in my opinion but we shall wait and see ! Thanks for the help nonetheless buddy, much appreciated :)

Also, it's not "1 of 1 in the world and only one sale to talk about here"

lol, this is pretty insane. It's pretty obvious it was a quick sell because the guy wanted pure. Yahia originally made an offer of the Kongs which was more than this. I myself offered ~500 in unusuals. He won't get 1k obviously, but there is no way this is well below scorching. Use your head yo.

In reply to my previous offer, I was just messing around. I don't value this at 1,000, and that's obvious just going by scorchings price.

In addition to this, it could be suggested of deceptive trading practices from one of the parties. According to the previous owner, paypal was added on Yahia's behalf, yet if this was this case, why hasn't Yahia cared to post this receipt of payment to this thread - it would have done nothing but boost the price of his own item possibly? E

In my view, Yahia has perhaps told Paper to state there was Paypal involved for no apparent reason but to protect the pricing of the coldsnap or Paper is lying about the sale?

Either way this needs to be resolved due to something deceptive happening here - no Paypal evidence has been posting - evident that it did not exist.

Evidence - The previous owner telling me there was Paypal involved :

http://imgur.com/b0lpT8s

This needs to be looked into before taking this suggestion should be taken further in my view anyway - possibly deceptive trading from either Yahia or Paper - due to nothing being stated about any PayPal transaction which can be agreed is very dodgy.

Please do correct me if I'm wrong here but yeah this is simply based on my experience here..

http://prntscr.com/9ld5cb

Also, I believe Woifi (Bp.tf mod) has done this himself before as well as multiple other users such as Wayne, etc. People have the right to say paypal was involved no matter how low it may be, in order to prevent a suggestion from being created, or in order to avoid shark accusations.

If he really did add 30 cents then this suggestion can be accepted as the full sale is confirmed in my view

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27649067 - currently up for trade, i think you should wait until it sells again or a month

Also have to take in mind that the burning coldsnap cap is 1of1 in the world making it more rare and resulting in an increase in the price, due to an increase in demand because of its rarity.

As there are 3 scorching and on a winter hat burning is considered to be 'themed' and burning is the only one in existence, it would make sense that burning would be more than the price of scorching which is valued at 450.

I agree with the fact that this was a quicksell, and as quicksells normally are a result from 30-40% off the original price. This will impact the price suggestion as the 211keys could get a 300+key unusual. **just my opinion in the matter of this suggestion**

There's been no other sales for a whole year practically so I don't see how this can be classed as a quicksell at all. No sales in 12 months to suggest that there is a quicksell here and the rest that's stated above is simply a matter of opinion in my view. There is no evidence whatsoever that I have been given to suggest this is a quicksell price, if you are basing it simply from the price of another effect then if the scorching is valued at 450, it's not too far off that range :)

I said it was just my opinion

Yeah I understand that and completely acknowledge that! Thanks for ur thoughts and advice as always burning mate ! :)

its not 1 of 1. theres at least 2 burning cold snap caps

And the sale before this one was approximately a year ago. Therefore, I don't see how this can possibly be classed as a quicksell. :)

It helps determine whether or not this is an outlier.

Yeah mate but this sale was almost a year ago, this is a long time for a recent suggestion to be based around, a lot has changed in 12 months therefore, this can be classed as a valid sale in my eyes bud :)

http://i.imgur.com/OLrlPk7.png lol.

Hehehe.

Regardless of whether this sale is an outlier or anything, the sale's off in terms of value. The RA snaggle's value is definitely very high here, and while we do allow reasonable approximations in terms of value in such cases as these, 146 is definitely feeling high.

We would have to wait for another actual sale on the Snaggle to give it a proper mini (and god knows when that'll happen, it's currently being used for Sweetstakes sniping) just to prove this sale's actual value, when we all know it's probably going to be low compared to when the Coldsnap sells again - that double HKC offer proves this.

Sometimes we report sales as they happen if we have no information about whether the sale itself was an outlier or not. Here, given the offers, it appears that it is clearly low. Best to wait for another sale.