Suggestion: Cloudy Moon Villain's Veil at 500–580 keys

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~2900 keys

moon

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This suggestion was closed Wed, 22 Jun 16 01:45:31 +0000 by Vijf Kilo Boter (met voetjes).

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Paint Pictures.

Pricing this off of the duped version, clean ones haven't sold in ages.

sale 1

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198096728532#!/compare/1459728000/1459814400

Already used for the Arcana KE

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sale 2

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197993708178#!/compare/1459209600/1459641600

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27882268

Sold for a beams chullo (580)

Mini on Chullo:

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198043598087#!/compare/1457337600/1457683200

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27913518

Nebula Spacemann [before update, also was in-date back when the sale happened] (500) + pro ks aussie RL (~70) + 10 pure

Chullo = 580

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Unsold 2 weeks @ 500 = http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28157974

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This is fine, going with 500-580

http://backpack.tf/suggestion/5713a63783de6b161a48d08a

http://backpack.tf/suggestion/54ee4ce2b88d88595a8b4604

http://backpack.tf/suggestion/54dc07e9ba8d8802748b4588#comment-54dc0d70b98d88a67d8b4568

You cannot price an item off of duped sales if clean copies have ever sold, as it is not fair to the owner(s) of the clean version(s)

Why can you price an item off of a dupe if a clean hasn't sold then?

Dupes can be used to raise prices, not lower.

Disregarding this suggestion, lets say an unusual is 1 of 2. If one is clean other is duped and the clean one is in a collector's bp, why shouldn't you be able to price it off of a dupe?

Because as long as a clean one exists, its valued higher than duped ones, and pricing it off dupes mis-interprets the true value of the unusual.

What if there are 5 clean ones in scammer bps and 3 duped? Should you never price it again?

Its not fair for the owners of clean copies for the price of an item to be lowered with the duplicate. Still a thing, scammers are still people

that doesn't make any sense xD

What if its 1 of 2 and a clean one gets deleted and only duped left... Do you update it?

If it gets deleted, then it doesn't exist anymore, right? So you can then price it off of dupes. While a clean one that has sold exists, it is not fair to price it off of dupes.

Bob is correct, therefore i would have to downvote...

There are rare exceptions where hats can be dropped based on duped sales if cleans exist and have sold in the past.

http://backpack.tf/suggestion/5648de2dba8d88205ca94a96 there is only one clean one that cannot be traded (in a tradebanned backpack)

http://backpack.tf/suggestion/564674bfb98d887c72e94fd5 there are clean ones, but the price was already based on dupes

The current veil price is based on this item:

http://backpack.tf/item/561503610

which is a dupe. Im not sure in this case, since Im quite sure it was clean at the time of the sale it was priced with, so id have to discuss that with other mods

Discussed this with other mods as well.

The last clean sale was roughly a year ago. It actually sold for a duped moon veil + presumably cash (knowing jewlander, who commonly trades cash and is known to specificly care about histories of items)

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198005574075#!/compare/1432278000/1432364400

Having said that, this trade probably should not be used here for two reasons:

- The clean one "recently" moved (its about a year ago but still). When I checked this, I saw a lot of names repeating in the history of the last exchanged clean one, so I figured it had not sold since may 2013 (which was longer ago than the last accepted suggestion). Most of the cases where hats are dropped based on duped sales are when clean ones literally havent sold in years, and this one moved after the last huge currency change. Its tricky to make an official rule for where the threshold would be for these situations, but the second point is gonna make the decision easier here. Also, I noticed that this exact item history was used when this was last priced. The hat was clean at the time it was used to price this. Especially since the other clean one sold after this one was used to set the price, I guess its best to let this one keep its clean value.

- Other than the above, the nature of the last clean trade shows that it's unfair to value a clean and a dupe at the same value, since a duped one sold with adds for a clean one. That would directly disprove of this, which is an indication that clean and duped would be roughly the same value, which clearly isnt the case here.

These situations are always tricky, but I believe that it is best to leave this outdated. This could function as a duped mini, though.