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Inflation's still a bitch tho
SALES:
http://backpack.tf/item/3282595555
http://backpack.tf/item/3273266634
Sold for Mallard Casemaker (Open suggestion at 155)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28110053 Sold for:
Aramanthine Company Man (93)
MG Hat of Cards (Outdated at 61, mini at 56)
DP Conjurer ( http://backpack.tf/suggestion/57123368c4404535b63f5861 taking ~21)
Aces Glasgow (Outdated at 20, mini at 20.5)
Stormy Stuntman (12)
Some random Rocket skin (~2)
= 204.5 (rounding to 205)
Hat of Cards mini:
http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198277313029#!/compare/1457683200/1457856000 TWatt Tree (~36) + Spec Aussie Minigun (~20)
= 56, using 56.
Glasgow mini:
http://backpack.tf/item/3004138359
http://backpack.tf/item/4695555630
Sold for Miami Berlin Bucket (~20.5)
Using 20.5.
Sellers:
http://puu.sh/par57/9199bcd240.png
There's sellers and B/Os all over the place, taking a wide range. 17 days unsold does not a quicksell make.
Let it ride.
update isn't needed the hat is still in date
Lol
http://backpack.tf/suggestion/5739d902c440450aad1fb551
http://backpack.tf/suggestion/573a666e83de6b3660395548
Were both updated while in date. If it needs a drop, it needs a drop.
the two sales you listed are based upon two entirely different hats that sell much more frequently than the dread hood does rofl
The principle stands. And also your point is untrue.
Further unconstructive comments will be reported as spam.
unconstructive
do you even realize that this entire suggestion is unconstructive? There isn't any point in making a suggestion for a hat that is still in date.
I also think that disliking literally every single one of my comments is fairly unconstructive
and "the principle" doesn't stand when the evidence and logic behind the principle is entirely invalid in the given situation
Just by looking in the classifids of this hat, you can clearly see that this hat needs an update there are alot of sellers way under the price
are you really that ignorant?
the amount of people quickselling them are about 2/5 (not even half) and the amount in which they want isn't anywhere near this low
Calm down dude, it's just a suggestion, no need to be rude
im being rude?
why do you feel to need to dislike all my comments and not agree with a single one of my points then???
A quick sell implies that an item were to sell quickly. If the person selling their Hood were to sell it in 1 Day, that would be a quick sell (almost always). On the contrary, if, as it stands now, they can not sell their Hood for 17 Days, then they could not quickly sell the Hood.
A person's Buyout and what items are priced at are reflective of their values in Pure. Quicksells apply to Pure Sales mostly, though they can apply to Item Sales in certain cases. If someone sold their Hood for 200 Keys in Unusuals, but their Pure Buyout was 170 Keys, then the Sale would cap at 170 Keys.
Given that the Hood owner has not been able to sell their Hood for Pure or Items with a Buyout of 170 for 17 Days (which is definitely not quick, even for an item of its value), then their Buyout is perfectly valid.
A quick sell may certainly imply that the seller intends for the hat to sell quickly, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it will sell quickly. I much more strongly feel as though that quick selling refers to a seller's lack of obligation towards the current price and simply upon them wanting to get rid of the unusual rather than the user wanting to get the full price out of it.
http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/6033-guide-for-unusual-price-suggestions/
Read Part 1, Bullet 3 for Buyouts and Part 3, Bullet 4 for Quicksells.
i havent been online but i did get a Unavailable to trade of 165 Keys for the Hood, and another time it was 160.
I also missed pure on a few other hats
Calling people ignorant can be construed as rude, yes, please try to keep the tone friendly. Directing this at everyone.
This suggestion is constructive. Constructive means that something has a construction or structure to it. This suggestion has Sales with Minis as needed to provide evidence that this item needs to be lowered. Your comments, however, are opinionated slightly and have no structure or evidence to support your claim.
People are only disliking your comments because either A) they disagree with them or B) they are comments that do not pertain, helpfully, to the suggestion (relating back to the evidence aspect).
"More important is how a sale relates to other sales. If a hat sells for less than commonly offered values in pure or unusuals or for less than common trade points, that is likely a quicksell."
I had given ~230 for the shaman and recieved offers of more than 200 in items yet I still paid it for this hat. Surely that implies that the item is being quicksold in this scenario
You did not pay ~230 for the Shaman. You got it and other hats for a Scorching Patriot Peak.
We cannot price the Shaman with this and this with the Shaman. This already has 2 Sales listed here (155 and 205, which average to 180).
The Unsold fits in that range, so it's still valid. If you can provide proof for the offers you received on the Shaman, then by all means do so.
How can you even determine whether or not I got 230 for it by just saying "you got it and other hats for a scorching patriot peak"
By finding proof...?
http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198086605050#!/compare/1463961600/1464048000 - Your backpack
http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198032176942#!/compare/1463961600/1464048000 - Merendas' backpack
If you have proof to prove me otherwise, please show me.
Thats not what I mean...?
How can you even say that I didn't pay 230 when the evidence is right there ^
You didn't pay 230. You paid the Patriot Peak for the Shaman and other hats.
and how is that not 230?
It's slightly over 230 Keys, but that's besides the point because the Sale itself is invalid for being a Bulk Sale.
The point wasn't using the sale here. The point of that sale was to try to clarify that people selling it for as low as 170 are quicksellers
Which they aren't, as I addressed above.
I contradicted your point with an additional point that polar made though
I addressed that with the last sentence in my response.
"If you can provide proof for the offers you received on the Shaman, then by all means do so."
one notable offer that comes to mind a searing plasma patriot peak which would probably be worth atleast 200
There's a seller for 160.
link please?
http://puu.sh/pavos/025d3b6dbe.jpg
oh he was asking for 200 when he offered me. sorry :/
I'm a little confused here for sale 1. If the dread hood sale is the actual sale of it, then where does the boa come into play for the casemaker. I think the actual sales were the casemaker for dread, and then the dread was instantly resold for the boa. You just proved the case sold for the dread, and the previous owner of the casemaker (http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/76561198120147285) had the boa first and then the dread.
Also, the hong kong cone sale in the boa suggestion is probably giving a low value. The hkc is still priced pretty low, I believe Julia sold her cone for 180 pure the other day
He bought the casemaker with the dread and sold it for the BoA.
Yeah, Red->Mapijs = case:dread and Red->Nathan = dread:BoA
But the values on the casemaker and the BoA are basically the same. So this remains okay, I just need to close the casemaker suggestion
Also there's two mods here now and nothing being done about the spam >_<
Someone disagreeing with you isn't spam by definition, people are free to post comments if they relate to the suggestion, whether they're correct or incorrect. Explain why you think he's wrong or ignore him.
No, somebody disagreeing with me is not spam. Somebody posting about 20 fucking replies on my suggestion, refusing to listen to any and all reason, AND being rude to others, is definitely spam.
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME
I asked him not to be rude. The rest is related to the suggestion, and he didn't spam 20 messages for no reason, he's having discussions with people. You are being rude, now, and you know it.
im sorry :(
My sale for the MG Hat of Cards: http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198095022965#!/compare/1463097600/1463184000
I sold it for a clean '72 Taunt: Buy A Life (outdated at 35 keys) and a clean '72 Taunt: Battin' a Thousand (outdated at 28 keys).
With the outdated prices the sale would be 63 keys, but these need minis, so idk.
this should go down, some guy used the "it's a QS" argument on the 170 one, just lol.
Downvoted, 1 Sale at 205, and another for a new all class hat, where the price suggestion is literally of jsut one sale...
You could Counter to 205 For this hat, and make the casemaker 155-205 as well in that case if u were to base it off timings.
For all these reasons...and really, no concrete 155 sale. Downvote.
155 sale is fine.
205 flat is laughable when you wouldn't sell at 170. Thanks for your input.
Like ive mentioned before ive been offered 160, and 165 pure before earlier also. but i havent been online much and ive lost out on the cash out in that effect
Okay so the casemaker has no solid value because the open suggestion there was a misunderstanding of events. The stare boa sale however is going to be 160 here (which imo is close enough to 155 to accept this).
The shaman sale can be used to update the shaman once this gets accepted if theres nothing else on that (and no, that bulk sale wont do). There was word of a searing peak offer (but tbh Im confused whether or not that was an offer on the dread since it seems it may have been for the shaman, but either way), but then again, I want to stress that unusual offers "above" the low end are not necessarily a reason to disprove of a part of a range (especially not hugely outdated, or - in the searing peak case - unpriced hats. A hat that people think should be worth 200 that was offered on something is NO reason to exclude a low end from a range. Even at current seller's value, the peak is ~175, which falls within the suggested range. Its the same reason why sales slightly above current buyouts should not be completely ignored (since if that were the case, this would be 160 flat now). If anything, such offers support that this range is needed. The high end flat is too high because of sellers, and the low end flat would be too low because of offers. Thats normally a fair reasoning.
Just putting this out here for everyone that commented on the suggestion with complaints about ranges and offers and such. The only offers Id see as a reason to exclude the low value are the 160-165 pure offers Ive heard, and I would have been willing to wait if it wasnt for the fact that that same seller is willing to take 160, and has been willing to take 170 for a decent amount of time. Again, if we were to apply that logic, then this hat's high end would be invalid too.