Suggestion: Death at Dusk Mask of the Shaman at 650 keys

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~1500 keys

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Previous suggestion was totally off, so i shall re-suggest.

1 of 1, only usable sale

Sale 1 -

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198122135517#!/compare/1466035200/1466208000 (Somehow missing the grimm hatte)

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198001869283#!/compare/1466121600/1466294400 (Also missing the grimm hatte)

http://imgur.com/5z0RjdJ (Took a screenshot of my trade to confirm what it was sold for, includes the harvest moon grimm hatte)

More evidence: http://backpack.tf/item/1248011955

Sold for a Haunted Phantasm Law + D@D Prince Tavish Crown + Duped Harvest moon grimm hatte

Mini for the Crown -

Current seller at 120 keys on classifieds, should be good enough. (Previous suggestion showed an outdated listing on outpost, he lost it on sweetstakes therefore never got to sell it.)

http://backpack.tf/classifieds?item=Prince%20Tavish%27s%20Crown&quality=5&tradable=1&craftable=1&australium=-1&particle=90

Mini for the Law -

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198058662819#!/compare/1462147200/1462233600

Sold with 6 in sweets for a Frostbite Cotton Head (325)

325 - 6 = 319 rounding to 320

Mini for Duped Harvest moon Grimme hatte

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198161231249#!/compare/1466380800/1466467200

Sold for a vivid plasma cotton head (240 keys) Price still in date.

No other useful minis for duped grimm as the hat was later used on sweetstakes for bets and quicksold by the winners for pure on scrap.tf, bought again from scrap, bet on stakes and you know the drill.

320 + 120 + 240 = 680 keys

My buyout before making this suggestion was 650 keys, therefore according to some people i should cap it at 650 and i will.

PS: Constructive criticism will be good, 2nd time doing this and i only did it because the previous suggestion missed out another hat. Cheers!

eh you closed before I could finish my comment.

You cant artificially raise your BO to avoid a suggestion's validity. You not knowing what a hat is worth does not mean that if you're trying to sell the hat for less without success, that it does not influence the suggestion. that has been addressed

Either way, two of your minis are way too high. A duped harvest grim is definitely too high at 240 (theres one for sale right now for 175) and your DaD crown mini is literally a seller above current. That way, anyone can make their hats worth more. This is probably gonna be almost ~~100~~ 70 keys too high.

What do you mean that crown mini is literally a seller above current? If you want to take the mini for duped harvest grim as 175 because its on sale now, then mini for crown should be 120 since its on sale now as well ?

If the seller is above the current value, say, 5000 Keys for a 50 Key hat, you can't possibly say that that seller is valid.

Yeah yeah of course, but its not an over the world amount, its an increment by 20 keys~ Which imo is not absurd.

There's still the possibility that the seller is over-pricing their hat, and it could actually be worth less than their listing.

Same as how a seller could be under-pricing their hat and could actually be worth more than their listing. Minis are hard to do, so what should the mini for the crown be then? 98 as per the bp.tf price? And what about the grim, since theres a sale rather than a mere listing, i think a sale is a better reflection of the price.

It would be, but the sale is with a marked scammer. Which is invalid as evidence.

I agree, but guess what he is not marked anymore and was not marked by steamrep when the trade was made. http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198117632337-tf2-team-fortress-2-items.131410/

He just could not be bothered to make an appeal to backpack.tf to remove the ban since its permanent.

Hmm. Either way, that sale does look like it's not representative of value given the seller, and there's a lot of other sales in the history of that item. That needs to be addressed or this suggestion will not pass.

Well give me a mini for the hat please. Im not sure which i can use, and like i said most of the sales were quicksells as they won the hat from sweetstakes.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28193940

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197999542517#!/compare/1463961600/1464048000

Sold for 114 pure + Blizzardy Djustice

= ~150.

The crown also needs to be using the old bp price if the seller is higher than that.

hmm then maybe we should take the average of the two minis, (240+150)/2 = 195.

No. Because the seller makes 240 too high.

I get you're trying to protect the value of a hat you own, the mask, but you're starting to come off just a bit like you're manipulating said price. Use 150 for the value of the grimm. I will look for a mini on the crown, but otherwise use the backpack price.

And it also makes 150 a little too low and we all know that pure/mixed offers are much lower than the actual price. Whilst when u pay in unusuals you pay more. I valued my grimm at the bp.tf price when i made the trade and i very well would not mind using the bp.tf price to price the shaman. Theres no mini on the crown, i looked.

We price unusuals here in pure. That value is valid.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28225225 crown sold here with a B/O of 89, that would be preferable.

Resuggest or I'll do it for you, buddy.

Crown did not sell for 89, he lost it on sweetstakes. So u cant use that lol. I still do not get why the more recent sale for the grim can not be used. Take away the fact that he was once a marked scammer (resolved) then we wouldnt have this problem. So i don't think you should be bias here.

Nobody can say I didn't try. Counter is up.

Even if he didn't "sell" the Crown, the Buyout was lower than the current price, which is just as valid as a Seller, given that the Buyout was up for a few days, which it was.

Mm why dont i just put my buyout for every hat at 10 keys just to make every single mini that uses my hats become 10 keys. Thats sounds as stupid as what you just said. If a person can artificially raise the price of an item, a person can artificially depress the price of their item to attract more people to offer on it. IE. since we have almost 90% of people asking for unusual overpay, dropping my price by 10 keys from the bp.tf price just to lure people in and then ask for 130 in hats could be what most people are doing right now. So a listing is just a listing and should not be just as valid as a seller.

Having every hat with a Buyout of 10 Keys would be both quicksells and absurd. You realize a Seller is a listing, yes?

Sorry i meant sale not seller. Yeah i was just being dramatic. What i meant is i could lower the price of all my hats by 20 keys from the bp.tf price and subsequently ask for 30% overpay in unusuals which kind screws everything up doesn't it? We all know that bp.tf prices are not pure prices no matter what the admins here say because in actual fact, maybe only 5% of hats actually sell for pure thats equal to the bp.tf price.

Well, if your hats sold at those lower prices very quickly, then they most likely would not represent said item's market, and would not be used. On the other hand, if they can't sell for a while at that lower price, then the hat is probably overpriced at its current price.

Well the seller pretty much owned it for.... less than 2 days before losing it again on sweetstakes. He wanted to quicksell it for pure, only to lose it a day later. I dont think that we should assume its overpriced based on a listing that was barely up for a day, or a listing of a hat won on sweetstakes because we know all the kids just want to quicksell it for pure.

Sellers are an indication that items are probably not worth more than said amount; they're a price ceiling, not a direct value (i.e a seller at 100 makes a sale at 150 look like a high outlier, but that doesnt work the other way round; a seller at 400 does not make a sale at 100 look low, as any seller can ask way way more than a hat can actually sell for).

Hats that are constantly used on sweetstakes, or constantly appear in scraptf bots are usually overpriced at the moment. Im fairly certain that realisticly, 100 is still way too high for a DaD crown. But then again, if no sales happen on it, I guess theres not much that can be done about that

Im not annoyed about the price of the crown, more about the price of the grim. But u know, you guys are always right and our opinions do not matter. In addition the DaD crown was owned by me before it went into stakes, i dropped it in because i was bored (not because i undervalued it) and subsequently lost it and it just got circulated there.

Im not saying you used a hat for a certain purpose for a specific reason, Im saying that usually hats that are constantly used on sweetstakes or constantly appear in scrapbots are overvalued. People cant manage to sell them, so they use their (realisticly too high) value for a betting advantage. If a hat has no normal sales, but is only exchanged through betting or through sales to scrap.tf, then thats an indication that the hat is hard to sell at its current value.

Also, to address your response to shuffle spy above:

There is a problem with your theory ["Mm why dont i just put my buyout for every hat at 10 keys just to make every single mini that uses my hats become 10 keys. Thats sounds as stupid as what you just said"]

If you list a hat that's realisticly worth 50 keys at 10 keys, then youre instantly going to get a dozen of friend invites, comments and trade offers, as everyone that sees it will see the profit in that. Many people would even quicksell their own items to be able to profit off of such a great deal. People will fight over it, and will probably outbid each other in order to persuade you to sell it to them instead. Thats also why quicksales are excluded from a range: If a hat can sell for the listed buyout instantly, its often (not always, some people are just lucky) an indication that the seller was asking for less than that hat can realisticly fetch. If you list a hat priced at 100 for 70 keys, but cant manage to sell it at that for a month, then 100 is clearly too high, as in the time it has been selling, no one was willing to give 70 keys for it.

Yeah i understand that, but the hat that we are talking about, i never tried to sell it, never intended to and neither did the other 2 people who have it. I just bet it because i lost and its the only other thing i felt like betting lol.

That being said, i also understand what you mean and i was going overboard with the 10 keys thing but i corrected myself above. Anyway, like i said, the crown was not listed for 70 but 89, and was only up for 1-2 days before he lost it, not a month. So i do not think that you argument is valid in this context.

The values I used in my explanation were examples, no specific references to anything used here

In addition, if you say that quicksales are excluded from a range then why do we not consider the sale of the grimm hatte at 150 a quicksale? It was listed on outpost 1 month ago, and was quickly bought by sawahman. I would assume that is a quicksale. Especially since the deal included a majority of pure keys.