Suggestion: Sunbeams Cold Killer at 270 keys

Eh debatable, I am friends with Fergie and he downgraded it for around 140 keys less than bp.tf price because it'd be easier for him to sell all those low tier unusuals quickly. He also bets often and it's common for betters to downgrade big hats quickly for more hats to bet with.

Call it a pseudo quicksell if you will, not sure if it's necessarily invalid though.

Staying neutral.

He didnt wna sell them, he just wanted to bet them, which he did and lost it all.

If it were worth more in unusuals he would've gotten it. He would've valued it higher if he knew he could've gotten higher. To suggest otherwise is to insult Fergie's intelligence. Do you agree? The fact he sold it for unusuals at all is damning for its value.

You do not know the story behind it while i do. It was a quicksell. The owner, fergie was quickselling it because he wanted small betting unusuals to bet on sweetstakes/lotto. Did not want to be stuck with a big hat that he could lose in one bet. So it is considered a quicksell.

Spotlight is being reasonable.

That's incorrect, you can quicksell for unusuals.

I mean, that wouldn't make any sense. Who quicksells their unusual 30% for more unusuals? 99.99% of quicksells are for pure.

No, you can't. As has been discussed and decided MANY times.

Yes, you can, it's a common misconception regarding quicksales, they aren't necessarily for pure. Explain to me logically why quicksales for unususuals shouldn't be considered quicksales.

Exactly. Generally speaking, lower tier hats are much easier to sell for pure. So indirectly, selling at a discount for a good downgrade, means selling a discount for easier pure. I don't find that far-fetched.

The purpose of quickselling, as defined in our rules, is to quickly acquire pure, whether for purchasing an unusual, cashing out, or personal or other reasons. Now, if this hat was worth 417 pure legitimately, I'm sure a seller would have NO trouble achieving 270 pure for it, if not more. However selling for 270 in unusuals, which he would have to sell for full price to get 270 pure, isn't a quicksell, its one of two things:

A) Foolhardy

B) Evidence the unusual needs a drop.

I'm not going to assume the former, unless someone would care to prove it, so it must be the latter.

You can NOT, quick sell for unusuals and have it considered a quicksell. Whether this sale is later proven to be a low outlier, we shall see. But it is not a quicksell.

I wouldn't really call it "quickselling" for unusuals, but you certainly can take a steep discount while feeling buyers remorse, a bigger discount even if you know you could have gotten more elsewhere. Try waiting for frost to sell it, since he's put it up on classies and there isn't any hurry to update this

I have no doubt this will stay open in anticipation of an additional sale. I have no objection to that.

I can confirm Fergie just wanted lower tiers that he could bet with. I advised him against trading it for these but he insisted that all he wanted was unusuals to bet so I accepted the trade. I'm not too sure what the rules are but it doesn't make much sense to me if this gets priced at 270 taking into account the owner wanted to get rid of it desperately so he could gamble.

Refer to my explanation to Salvage. However I do appreciate this is an, interesting, case, so this will be left open for a while just to wait for additional sales. If no solid counter-evidence at all surfaces, this will probably go through just in the interest of reporting sales, but that is the only circumstance this will be accepted without alteration :)

Salvage's "explanation" is honestly a load of utter shit. Just because he thinks you "can't quicksell items for unusuals" doesn't mean that the sale can't be considered as a quicksale.

Take a look at this suggestion for instance -- http://backpack.tf/suggestion/576e0e1ac440456aed64de52

Foamy stated "Sales like that commonly occur in situations where an overpriced or hard-to-sell hat is offered on an item or items considered easier to sell for pure. It seems as though the person that did this trade expected a tiger conga to be easier to sell for 365 pure than a beams chullo." Technically the taunt wasn't pure. However, the sale was still considered as a quicksale due to the seller's desire to obtain more optimal items for their situation

In all honesty I think that Foamy's opinion is a significant bit more important than salvages

Not going to comment on the definition of "quicksell" because I think the term does more to confuse than to explain. We define outliers by deviation from the mean and other sales. In the case of a single sale, we "project" other sales / data points based on offers and sales that might be a bit older than 2-3 months old.

Previous sale on this - http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198043806501#!/compare/1463184000/1463270400

And I don't see any offers >270 anywhere. I don't see any grounds for calling this an outlier.