Suggestion: Chiroptera Venenata Law at 480 keys

Price Suggestion

~550 keys

venenata

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1 of 1 only recent sale

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198258728302#!/compare/1472601600/1473638400

Sold for a Duped Burning Modest (270) + Australium Black Box (15) + Pro Ks Australium Rocket Launcher (58) + Orbiting Fire Hong Kong Cone (72.5) + Australium Scattergun (28) + Professional Killstreak Ambassador (19) + Australium Knife (19)

270 + 15 + 58 + 72.5 + 28 + 19 + 19 = 481.5 rounding to 480

Mini on the Modest -

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198125789695#!/compare/1473033600/1473292800

Sold for a Searing Plasma Merc Mohawk + Scorching Harmburg (150)

120 + 150 = 270

Mini for the Merc -

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198137862353#!/compare/1468281600/1468368000

Sold with a dbd tippled lid (100) for a duped cloudy moon cannonball

100 - 220 = 120

Mini for the Cannonball -

http://prntscr.com/ci1nhx

Seller at 220

Mini for the Tipped Lid -

http://prntscr.com/ci1o17

Two sellers at 100 probably around that

Mini for the Rocket -

http://prntscr.com/ci1pt4

Seller at 58

Mini on the Ambassador -

http://prntscr.com/ci1qgf

Seller at 19

man, if misty skull can get priced at close to 1000, this is stupid low. upvote

misty was originally 549 and took like 5 months to sell for 775 :p

I've sold a spellbound law for over 1200 keys and currently own one that gets plenty of offers over or at the 1000 range. Considering the PS KE is over 1000 too, I see no reason why this couldn't fetch 800+ keys.

because this isn't a spellbound law or poisoned shadows killer exclusive

It's just about as good as either

: )

apparently not otherwise it wouldn't be selling for 480 :o

i love that upvote at the end, almost got me :D

Ready to bet the next sale will prove this one to be too low. Pumpkin bought it straight from the unboxer, certainly knowing why he spent this much into this hat. Probably best to let this open for a while, or simply close it in order not to influence any potential sale.

If it actually does then obviously I'll update the suggestion but I honestly doubt it would

I would quickbuy this hat for 480 pure. That's just not what it's worth. Because a sale is the only usable sale, does not necessarily mean it's valid. I am not saying this price is 100% wrong, but it is absolutely certain it is not 100% true, not until a second sale for this much happens. And it won't happen, because pumpkin will never ever sell this hat for 480 keys worth of stuff, not even 480 pure, or anything remotely close to that, since he knows what his newly acquired law is actually worth. Just like Same2me said, it's clear this can get offers at around 800.

I agree with Mag!c ^^^^

I agree with Max, who agrees with Magic.

Lol no offence man but just saying you would do that means nothing. And if its "just not what its worth" then why would he sell it for this amount? Stop trying to deny facts with your irrelevant opinion please :) What you believe doesn't change the rules

Oh, so because I am taking part in this conversation, the fact I would quickbuy this for 480 pure is irrelevant. Interesting. A quickbuyer for a certain amount directly denies any value suggested regarding a normal sale, except if this quickbuyer does not have the pure he claims to, if the quickbuyer is inactive, if it is clear his pricing/trade is very old and was not updated regarding market change, or if there are simply too many sales/unsolds/evidence to support the fact the "quickbuyer" would actually be willing to buy for full price.

Neither of these applies. I'm ready to go ahead and offer Pumpkin 480 pure if that's what you're waiting for. Everyone here, but you, knows anyway he would not accept.

480 keys is "not what it's worth", a conclusion that can be drawn from trading experience, effect comparison, and common sense. Like I said, because only one usable sale happened, does not mean it is necessarily valid.

Following your logic, any shark from unexperienced unboxers would be valid. Not implying Pumpkin sharked the person with whom he traded, just pushing your reasoning further.

"Stop trying to deny facts with your irrelevant opinion please". There is AfricanDrugLord and Same2me telling you the exact same thing, two people who are insanely experienced in very high tier hats. AfricanDrugLord has had some of the most epic god tiers there is in this game. Like, you cannot possibly come and claim you know more than him about that. You can't. Backpack.tf aims in displaying the most accurate values possible for items: not report blindly every single sale that happened.

lol why are you writing an entire essay as your reply jesus christ, it doesnt change anything though xd. I could easily say I would quickbuy any unusual for any amount on any suggestion if i felt like doing so. Again though such an occurence wouldnt affect the suggestion in any way whatsoever. This hat sold for 480 and what you supposedly will quickbuy for won't change that.

Everything else you mentioned was just needless rambling that I unfortunately could care less about. What I got out of that amassment of words was that troll pumpkin wouldnt accept 480. Whether or not he would accept 480 doesnt change what he bought it for sorry

If this actually got offers of 800 why would have the original owner sold it at this amount?

I'd pay 550 pure for this I've I wasn't cashing into Csgo

Wait for another sale, this seems to be very low. Considering what i sold my Sunbeams and Scorching Law for, this is really low.

There's no need to wait for another sale. Sunbeams and scorching are obviously significantly more than the scorching bat

Bat effects are very demanded among the hallo effects, 480 is def low for this, i personally think we need to wait for another sale.

Just throwing that here:

http://imgur.com/6uQ8u1z

http://imgur.com/eN86Mqf

http://imgur.com/TSjsDFN

Would not take 480 keys pure, or even close to that. Pumpkin "hates" having high tier, he would do anything to downgrade/get pure for these stuff, yet is confident to have a preliminary buyout at 666, which may be increased if better offers come.

Oh now that's another step you're taking.

One may criticize how I deal with stubborn people here on Backpack.tf, may criticize how I can get quickly salty sometimes. But you do not get to criticize my integrity. You do not get to be a judgemental prick. I am not affiliated in any way with Pumpkin. I am here, countering your suggestion for the sake of accuracy. You do not get to disregard actual proof for the sole reason it is provided by me. You do not get to say me being willing to buy such hat for 480 pure is irrelevant, and you do not get to say this offer did not happen. You are accusing me of manipulation, with no basis but not wanting to realize you are wrong. Because, you're wrong. This suggestion will not pass. Your lack of understanding of unusual trading, does not grant you any right to make stupid asumptions.

I don't dance around the fact the sale occured. It did occur. If a second sale happens for that much, I will happily upvote. You, however, are dancing around the fact that such sale is straight from the unboxer (who didn't realize what he could get from it, and made clear he wanted either a modest, a HKC or a KE. Pumpkin gave him two of the three hats, probably making things much easier) and clearly described by several traders more experienced than you are as possibly an outlier. The worst part is, you then come and accuse me. Are you seriously implying I would be manipulative for a hat I don't own? Are you seriously implying I'd buy this hat for 480 keys pure just to prove a guy I don't know wrong? You are embarassing yourself right now, and I'm done here.

By the way: rules are important. Read them. A quicksell for a certain amount, is not to be included in any range, as long as the said value is not proved by other sales to be a common trading point. Meaning that a quicksell at 480, in the case of just one other sale happening, makes both sales, the quicksell and the 480-item one, irrelevant.

A declined offer of a certain amount, can be used to counter an actual sale, if that sale is not backed up by anything else. Do not act like you know more than me about pricing, when it is crystal clear you don't.

You don't know me. It's not the first time I do not let go of a suggestion until everything has been clarified, and it is not the last. I'm fairly certain other people around here could confirm that. I have already been accused of being so "active" against other suggestions because I happened to own the hat. Same answer: accuracy. I could actually link suggestions where I said "upvote" for updates that were decreasing my hat's value.

It is not really about backpack size. When I said more experienced traders, I mentionned Africandruglord particularily, not me. I'm not experienced enough in god tiers, yet have a bigger backpack than you, but no ones gives a damn about that. Someone could have $20,000 but composed of hundreds of very low tiers, I would not really trust the person's judgement when pricing a harvest moon coffin.

It's not an "opinion". It's common sense. I don't go and criticize every suggestion with whom I, on a matter of personal tastes, disagree, obviously. Opinions are not to be used in ANY case. However, when assessing a sale, a general look on hats and effects tier should be conducted. Halloween god tier all classes are very, very high. 480 for this hat does not make sense. Which is why a second sale is required. There is a reasonable doubt to be had.

Normally, such hat falls under Exception 1 of the "one sale only can be okay" rule, since it's expensive. But considering the sale in question, the safest way to go (which is what I said at the very first post. Not "lmao this sale has got to be rejected because I decided so, quit suggesting") is to, in some way, go under Exception 2, and consider that, since the hat was not sold to a collector, and is being actively resold, it is better to wait for a second sale.

Then came my opinion: I am certain the second sale will not be 480. But the fact I expressed my opinion, does not change the fact a second sale is needed.

And yes, I always write a lot, I've been told that many times, and frankly, that's fine by me.

The fact that there might not even be a second sale is honestly the most prevalent option to me honestly. I believe that the law will take quite a bit of time to sell before it actually resells considering how much troll pumpkin wants for it.

What's quite interesting to me though is that within your screenshot it showed that troll pumpkin was willing to lower his price quite significantly from 999 to 666 (a 333 key drop) implying that a price at 480 might not be too much of a stretch. If troll pumpkin was willing to lower his price that drastically then I really doubt this can go for much more if any more at all

I would just like to mention my comments was solely stating that this hat could get a lot more than what it sold for.. Whether this sale would be considered or not in a price suggestion is up to an admin.

I mean, I bought both of my spellbound laws for under 400 keys each while the sellers got offers over twice as high -- this is probably the same case.

Where does he state he wants 999 in the first place ?

His buyout :p

And where is that buyout. :3

edit: right, classifieds. Didn't even think to check there for such a hat ^^ Sometimes, traders put a value on bp.tf, as it is mandatory, but not necessarily because they want to stick to it. When sellers actually have a buyout, they also put it on Outpost (when they're not banned from there). Besides, Pumpkin does say "taking offers", both on bp.tf and Outpost, making it clear it's just a placeholder value, not an actual buyout. By the way, I'm sure no one here actually believe the hat can get up to 1000. Spellbound is there, so yeah. But something around 700/800, which is confirmed by his full pure (not that many people have such amount of pure to spend on not-quicksold stuff) buyout of 666. This is plain speculation of course. But a safe speculation, for the reasons I have explained already, and because it is safe to trust a trader like Pumpkin is not wrong by 40% when valuing his items. Such speculation, such doubts, are solid enough. Not to directly exclude the sale here, but solid enough to wait for another one. I think I over-extended my point far too much already, let's now just wait for a mod to come here.

spellbound and misty skull were ~480 at first so maybe this'll go for more in a very distant future ;)

*double post for the win*

You are also advancing your opinion when claiming there won't be a second sale, since you believe he wants "too much". That is not the main point. Even if we have to wait two months before seeing pumpkin sell his item, then so be it. There is no rush to price this item. You seem closed in the idea that this one sale is absolute proof the hat can't sell for more than 480. In order to know who is wrong/right, a second sale is required. It's really simple. And we will have to wait very long if need be. No matter what you believe, a second sale is needed. Whenever one of the mods will be coming here, he will tell the exact same thing.

By the way, I re-checked: not a single mention of 999. He directly told me 666.

this comment is longer than my latest paper 😮😮

Are you in primary school or something? :p

9th grade

I was just joking :p

Wait for more sales.

If troll pumpkin decided he was not going to resell this hat. Then this suggestion would be totally fine.

However he is reselling which makes the price on this hat invalid.

It is definitely best to wait for another sale here.

lol where in the rules does it say that xd pls keep your opinion out of it

Oh I don't know

"Two sales are required to establish a range on unpriced hats. If the two sales are discrepant, a third sale is required to determine the outlier. ."

"Any hat can be priced based on a single sale if ALL these criteria are met:

- There are no other recent sales in the last 3 months

- The hat went to a collector or person who intends to keep the hat. A collector can be identified by looking at the person's trade history, item history of similar unusuals in the backpack OR if the owner has not resold the hat 1 month after the sale occurred."

So wait one month or until he sells, but "xd pls keep ur opinun out of this"

Clearly you havent read the rules properly xd I can price a hat over 200 keys with one sale regardless. This suggestion will be left up for a month or so but if no sales occur then its fine as is. If another sale occurs then ill resuggest but if that doesnt occur then its fine :)

Keep your unaware opinion out please :)

"OR if the owner has not resold the hat 1 month after the sale occurred."

"This suggestion will be left up for a month or so"

L M A O "opinion" boi I stated nothing but facts, you only stated one opinion; yours

Lmao you played yourself boi

I honestly have no idea what you said

Regardless of the validity of this sale, this will be left up for a month.

If Pumpkiin resells this for more than 480, this will be either an outlier or a low end.

If Pumpkiin gets any substantial offers that are WAY above 480, this will be an outlier and this will remain unpriced.

If none of these two happen during a month's span, this should be fine.

theres like 4 essays on this suggestion

this will be left up for a while. i'd wait for more sales. this seems like pocket change compared to what it can sell for. if i had enough i would pay well over this.

plz wait for more sales

thats what everyone is saying but i have yet to see any actual sales for higher xd stop trying to sway the suggestion

Maybe that's why you wait?

Honestly you can leave this up but tbh you should wait for more sales and take advice from people more experienced than you. I have learned the hard way not doing that. Buts that's up to you

You're killin me smalls!

how is this underpriced? if it goes for 480 then chances are its 480... troll pumpkin already showed that he was willing to come off 333 keys of his inital b/o of 999 so I truly doubt its anywhere more than that.

Yea it's not 1000 keys but it's not 480. Yes his price was unreasonable at that but 480 is just honestly stupidly low for this hat.

how so? lol just because its 1 of 1 and has a halloween effect doesn't automatically make the 480 sale invalid. A mod even commented here and said that if no other sales occur its fine as is

Yea I know that I can read but it's going to sell for more. It's going to get offers for more. That's why this suggestion is not going to be accepted anytime soon.

By the way commenting on my profile "-rep scammer" isn't doing anything more for yourself. And don't bother trying to delete it I've screenshotted it.

lol i said that ironically

Stop being dicks to each other, it doesn't contribute anything to the suggestion. A price mod said exactly what will happen to the suggestion so there's no point arguing like this.

-rep scammer

Dang 61 comments

There's more comments than votes gg

69th comment :^)

Now thats some drama :O this is a sale, just not a very good one, he can probably fetch a whole lot more :3

Love the passion guys. Pretty sure this hat resold already. Would like to see multi sales before suggested.

Multiple recent sales now

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198095902384#!/compare/1475020800/1475107200

http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198095902384#!/compare/1475452800/1475539200 - 675 pure or something like that? Looks like naknak bought it on behalf of someone

Both sales are around 680 (one in all pure). Looks like that should be around where this lands.