Suggestion: Refined Metal at $0.07–$0.08

Probably a suggestion at 0.08 USD without range would work as looking at the sales and your proof, i dont see why theres a need for 0.07 to be in the range

I tried without 0.07. Didnt worked as well..

I'm neutral on this. Though it appears that there are quite a few sales at 0.08, there are also sellers on outpost (like the one you mentioned at 0.075) which sort of counter.

I guess its definitely better than current, seeing the buyers at 0.07.

You still don't have any proof for 0.08, downvote.

He actually has proof,even tho 50% of the people is just gonna blindvote bcuz they see sellers.

True.

Salvage is technically correct. The suggestor has some lack of structure and OP doesn't have buyers above 0.07. This suggestion contains minimal and weak proof, where the primary proof includes 1 site and supportive proof from another site.

Mods accept suggestions. Not voters. Votes is for us and maybe the mods to see in which direction the com. wants a price to go. thats all

better be accepted bots are raising keys buy order to 25 ref just when keys were falling & now it's raising

Keys price is already inaccurate, w/ buyers up to 27 Refined. This probably doesn't need a raise anymore.

keys are raising because of ref falling if ref raises keys will fall

This is not how its working. Pricing happening with the sales and also buyers.

Right, but the buyers/sales for refined tend to move with the price of keys. Due to the paypal standard, when keys raise in ref, ref tends to drop, or in this case, not raise. Just my two cents.

https://opskins.com/?loc=shop_view_item&item=69025293 Check the diagram. Just only yesterday sold 262 ref for 0.08 USD.

Right, but idk if that site is valid, because its like marketplace. I personally think both should be valid, but others think not. If they do consider that site valid, then i can see this being fine. Neutral for now.

In opskins, the bot not buying anything . Ppls listing their items for that amount what they want,and when somebody buy for example your listing ,then u get the money, and the buyer get the item from a opskin bot.

Marketplace.tf is invalid because only certain people can sell refined there. On OPskins everyone can sell refined.

Imo it should be treated like SCM. Buyer pays 0.08, seller receives 0.07.

Should be valid to include it as a range, there is no reason for it to be invalid.

It's debatable whether OPSkins will be usable and that's something for another day, but if it does end up being usable then the fee will have to be considered which would mean a range of 0.06 - 0.08 would have to be used since there are even more sales at 0.07 than at 0.08 (in the sales @0.07 the seller receives 0.06) which would make this suggestion redundant as it would be a refresh.

Yeah, it would be 0.06 - 0.08 but there are buyers at 0.07 so maybe this could be fine if they don't lower their prices.

If u check now the diagram,last 2 day,refs being sold for 0.08 USD.(The most). And yes may the sellers only receiving 0.07, but the buyer actually paying 0.08 USD=buying it for 0.08 USD..+ in outpost ton of buyer for 0.07USD(counting your ideal for 0.06 USD),ton of seller for 0.08 USD.

are you saying they are using fees on marketplace

https://marketplace.tf/ $0.10 currently

Edit: Marketplace is never used for proof, prices there are not fixed, could change now and then, as and when

Edit #2: Can be used as support evidence to support raise etc

I just looked at marketplace.tf ref is being sold for 0.10$

Marketplace.tf is invalid.

then what market is valid for ref

Outpost.

Bazaar.tf

https://gyazo.com/5d03227489d290a98068866a7684d942

bought 2 ref for 0.16 USD, 0.08 each

more proof?

I appreciate it. If u have more proof feel free 2 link below. Thanks.

sadly thats all i have

Fine. With your trade u made valid now one seller surely for selling 0.08 USD. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28451797

There's no proof apart from his own statement that it sold for 0.08, just saying. (No proof of the monetary transaction)

Thats true. Dunno why you're getting disliked.

since youre so stingy https://gyazo.com/177bd113fa22776a09da3fdd431edb65

Dead May May, but thanks for proving thanks for proving that a transaction happened.

That literally doesn't mean anything, you could have changed the HTML anyways

oh look another one

What else could you ask for? He provided the screenshot, that's all he needs.

Aight, that works.

Now that there are more sales supporting the high end, I'm leaning toward an upvote.

Let's look at your proof here.

Your sellers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28707838 - 0 comments in the trade, 0 recent sales in refined - http://backpack.tf/trust/76561198080218136 - up for at least 9 days

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28451797 - 3 interested buyers in comments there. First one was definitely a sale at 0.07. Impossible to tell on the last two whether they sold for 0.07 or 0.08 because both sales happened in between the last accepted suggestion on January 1 where they were still selling for 0.07 and your first closed suggestion on January 8 where they were selling for 0.08.

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28665529 - only one comment on January 4. Impossible to tell whether they were selling for 0.07 or 0.08 at the time for the same reason as above

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28490712 - 0 comments since December when they were selling for 0.07, 0 sales here - http://backpack.tf/trust/76561198176125115

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28336162 - It looks like they made one sale on January 8 - http://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198065459615#!/compare/1483833600/1483920000 - at 0.08

Your sellers at 0.09 are meaningless here. No evidence of any sales and it isn't even in your range.

Your buyers:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28706149 - your buyer at 0.07 reduced his price

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28701785 - your other buyer at 0.07 closed the trade

Lastly, your only real proof here is from opskins - https://opskins.com/?loc=shop_view_item&item=69025293

Sales are all at 0.07-0.08 before fees which vary depending on the transaction, locations of the buyer/seller, etc. So before tax it may be 0.07-0.08, but after tax it will be about 0.06-0.08.

More proof:

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28398639 - seller at 0.06

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28706149 - seller at 0.075

So in summary, out of all sellers in the last 9 days, there seems to be only 1 sale at 0.08. When sellers listed their price at 0.07 before, there seem to have been several sales. The opskins average transaction value is probably closer to 0.07 flat when you take an average sale value on both the buyer and seller side. I'm still not sure there's enough evidence here.

And last ref suggestion? Only 3 with very outdated listing get accepted for 0.07 USD? Also that 3 seller looking for 0.08 USD.

Those same sellers were successful at selling at 0.07 but are not successful selling at 0.08. Unsolds at 0.08 is not proof that the price should be 0.08.

Still, I'm willing to leave this up for a bit more to get more evidence. You could add those sellers to see if they sold any at 0.08.

Actually the 0.06 seller dont have ref(7 ref only, woah big seller). The 0.075 seller is in the range. Also 0.07 Buyer counting the 0.06 seller. http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/18303623 Buyer for 0.07

Plus Opskin. Last 8 days ago, the statistic show,ref being sold for 0.08 or 0.09 USD. -> Seller gettin 0.01 USD less, so the range is correct 0.07-0.08 USD. https://opskins.com/?loc=shop_view_item&item=69025293

how long is this gonna last

When the Mods either accept this or decline this.

Mods stop being a lazy ass accept or decline this suggestion

A currency suggestion takes longer to accept. Besides the proof for $0.08 is not really that strong so the mods often wait for more sales to appear.

Speaking of which, I've sold some refined metal in the past (when PayPal wasn't being a huge headache) for $0.08

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/28667774#latest

Could you provide some proof? A link to a closed OP trade isn't really proof of anything.

Don't be such an ignorant dick. The trading community relies on them to rightfully accept and decline suggestions. This is an important suggestion because it is for currency, so mods need to consider it for a longer period.

Also, please learn to use understandable grammar.

When do ref sales become outdated?

Reason for asking is because in the last two suggestions there were very clearly 8 cents sales that were overlooked for this one and they are a MAXIMUM of 2 months old.

http://backpack.tf/suggestion/585eb220e3387761b1664a60

https://gyazo.com/570baac5dfa1885418b7afe43bde3c20

https://gyazo.com/34fc1f5d21e407915126fa526adeb311

http://backpack.tf/suggestion/58541665c440455ffa2a76bc

https://gyazo.com/47dce3e48eb9110aee8c8e69e64818f1

https://gyazo.com/513606df28a77ebba5e35840ede185ca

Sales for 8 cents. Can this be accepted now? The suggestion for 7 cents was poor to begin with.

In opskin does it matter how much will get the seller, when the buyer paying the price with the tax?He paying the tax also but actually it means he decided to buy for that amount=bought it for that price.

Well if it doesn't, it definitely should. The same rule you are describing applies to SCM sales as well. No reason as to why it shouldn't be taken into consideration with opskins.

Fresh buyer at 0.08 Only looking for 8.

http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/57675-buying-refined-for-008-usd-via-paypal-only-need-8/

http://imgur.com/a/tit6q

Was waiting to see if the 8 cent sellers dropped back to 7 cents. Didn't happen. Willing to accept this now.