Suggestion: Frostbite Polar Pullover at 750 keys

+ (135) Orbiting Planets Virtual Viewfinder + (247.5) Nebula Phononaut + (237.5) Disco Beat Down Virtual Viewfinder = (1137.5) Sunbeams Law + (44) Frostbite Desert Marauder + (110) Purple Energy Master's Yellow Belt + (125) Holy Grail Taunt: The High Five! = (796.5)

-Mini OP Viewfinder (135)

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/594c0ac5cf6c75799651004e

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Sales @ 750, 440, 796.5

Dropping: 440, 796.5 (it supports the 750 sale, but almost bulk and almost out of date)

Rounding: N/A

Current Listing:

http://imgur.com/a/zGXrB

http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/29188876 (no price set)

Morning Glory Sleeveless in Siberia's price is 2 months old too

in date and no need mini

Sale #3 isn't almost bulk, it IS bulk. The planets viewfinder value was also over 200 back then.

The polar accounts for more than 50% of the trade, even if the VVF was worth 200.

The VVF was out of date when the trade happen.

None of that matters as the trade wasn't used.

That's not the only meaning of being "bulk". When you've got 4 items on one side and 4 on the other, being exchanged in a single trade, it is very hard to pinpoint values, even though the items have prices. You never know how either of the parties value the items in such cases. Although, since it is a supportive sale that supports a raise for the pullover's value, it shouldn't matter all too much.

Agreed. There is no range, such as 750-795. Sale 3 simply shows, which of the 2 (sale 1 and 2) are outliers. In this case, sale 3 shows that sale 2 is clearly an outlier.

Question for you more in-tune suggestors -- in what cases are supportive offers valuable? Example, say I still have offer history for the pullover that supports the raise, is that usable as proof? In this case they're older than 3 months, but I've never been clear on when it's appropriate to use declined offers in a suggestion.

If they're over three months old offers really aren't support.

Understood, in this case, but I mean in general if they're in-date.

If they're in-date and there's multiple of them, and they're offers you can prove both the existence and value of (i.e. they're in-date and not inflated), then yeah, they can be valid counter-proof.

Makes sense to me, thanks!

Since you're considering outdated sales support, here's a five day old sale that supports the low end:

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198047573393#!/compare/1489622400/1489708800

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198119013032#!/compare/1489622400/1489708800

Sold for Tesla Crown (330) + Searing Modest (51)

= ~380.

So the two outdated sales cancel out, and your two in-date ones are contradictory. You need to wait for another sale before an actual value can be determined here. Personally I suspect the sleeveless is high.

So the higher supportive is 2 weeks more recent than the lower supportive, and the higher trade is 3 weeks newer than the lower trade, and most recent. It is a judgement call, and I think it more accurately represents the value, which is why I made the suggestion.

Sorry let me rephrase my last statement, as it seems to have been interpreted as an opinion, when I was advising you on fact. Your judgement is valid, of course, but the mod team WILL leave this open because you definitely DO need to wait for a third sale here.

I'd like this to be higher, it's basically themed, but given the circumstances Im just informing you on what will almost certainly be the procedure.

seller at 800 hehexdddd

The sales here are too far apart. Since the hat is barely outdated, this is much better off unupdated.

As far as offers go:

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/594b28e0cf6c7528e568da8f it was offered on a sparkle luger, which is even lower than current.

More sales will be needed here before this can be updated.