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When it raining it pours.
2 recent sales, 9 months outdated.
Sale 1:
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198066434918#!/compare/1500336000/1500422400
Sold for a Ghosts Plumber's Cap(440), duped Harvest Brainiac(355), Ghosts Mohawk(210), and a duped Demonflame Wraith Wrap(175).
1180 total.
Sale 2:
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198200149725#!/compare/1503878400/1503964800
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198202477376#!/compare/1503878400/1503964800
Sold for a Frostbite DCO(262.5, no sales), Scorching L'Homme(151.5), MG Ubersternmann(90), C. Heart Charmer's(77.5), MG Whoopee Cap(70), duped D@D FFF(68), a duped RA Pith Helmet(41), and a CPS Cold Killer(35).
795.5 total rounding to 800.
Duped D@D FFF mini:
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198157381321#!/compare/1503792000/1503878400
Bulk.
Unusable.
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198083073025#!/compare/1501632000/1501718400
1:1 with a Hellfire Tree(90).
90 total.
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198083073025#!/compare/1501804800/1501891200
Sold for a SSI Coldsnap(43.5) and 2 keys pure.
45.5 total rounding to 46.
90 flat seems high, 46 flat seems low.
Calling it 46-90.
Duped RA Pith mini:
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198166763414#!/compare/1498262400/1498348800
Sold for a Demonflame Capotain(37.5) and 3 keys pure.
40.5 total rounding to 41.
All credits to NuggetBox.
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197996078599#!/compare/1502668800/1502755200
Super high.
Not using.
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197996078599#!/compare/1502841600/1502928000
Bulky but supports.
Calling it 41.
Duped Harvest Brainiac mini:
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198208062409#!/compare/1495411200/1495497600
Sold with a SSI Mohorn(21) for a Beams Woodsman(375).
354 total rounding to 355.
Credits to Weirdiolo for this sale.
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198110951310#!/compare/1499385600/1499472000
1:1 with a duped GE TC(355).
355 total.
Calling it 355.
Ghosts Mohawk mini:
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/59b03a77cf6c75653c11470b
210 total.
Duped Demonflame Wraith Wrap mini:
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/59a71a40cf6c7530e03c7ae5
175 total.
All credits to Eazy Peazy Squeezy Lemons.
Duped GE TC micro:
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197977828464#!/compare/1500595200/1500768000
Sold for a Burning Brigade(155), Scorching Dragonborn(127.5), Beams Conquistador(60), and a KS Aussie Tomislav(12).
354.5 total rounding to 355.
Burning Brigade mini:
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561197996096687#!/compare/1498608000/1498780800
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198036074468#!/compare/1498694400/1498780800
Sold with 45 keys pure for a GBH Mancer's(200).
155 total.
Rolling with 800-1180.
"When it rains, it pours." -baka
The recent low sale was NOT a real sale. It was a trade that happened because the seller was sharing money with someone and he had to give the KE away for a lower price. https://i.imgur.com/608sLIF.png He did not want this trade but he was forced to do it (not in a scamming way).
No, it was a real sale. He was brokering it for Loaferman.
In that case - why does Zeikoth still have all the unusuals? Also, why is Zeikoth friends with Business Sloth but not loaferman? Sorry if i am asking too many questions, I just don't want the price to fall without reason.
Zeikoth, Sloth, Loafer, and I are all very good friends that broker each other's items often. Zeikoth was brokering this for Loafer while Loafer brokered stuff for Zeikoth.
What I feel is a bit sketchy is that you are suggesting lowering this price just one/two Days after your friend Sloth sold it. Oh well, I'm not really used to this whole trading thing so this might be common practice.
This suggestion is being used as a mini for the Arcana KE.
I did not own the demonflame ke. I was originally brokering it for zeikoth until I gave it back.
Oh! I got it mixed up. Thanks dude.
If it is like that, doesn't it matter that Zeikoths trade was involuntary?
erm if Sloth Zeikoth and Loafer are good friends, should that sale even be counted? Like you just said that they are good friends and often broker each others unusuals...so can a sale between them really be accepted? because then that would open up avenues for others to do a hell lot of price manipulation
I fail to see how that makes any sense, Zeikoth didn't sell it to Loafer.
You're statement was that You, Sloth, Loafer and Zeikoth are very good friends who broker each other's hats often. Therefore I don't think it's alright if any trades between you'll can be taken for pricing...otherwise it would be very easy for you'll to manipulate the market.
The way I see it the lower end is suggested by a very good friend for a trade between 2 other good friends. All of whom broker each other's hats often...that can't possibly fly...else might as well get all the price manipulators and likes of Ravenholmies back.
So people aren't allowed to trade with friends now?
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/58990d370e2cad7bf7620df8
I bought this from one of my extremely good friends, went through fine.
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/58f7daeb0e2cad2d9b5a6f6e
Another example.
https://backpack.tf/suggestion/58818beae33877696723c8ce
Another example.
And much more. I feel the only reason you're suggesting the second sale is invalid is that you currently own this hat and you would rather not see it drop.
No. What I'm saying is that those sales shouldn't be used for suggestions...
Otherwise you could just deal with a friend for a good price, get the suggestion passed, then sell the hat and share the profits....and that's called price manipulation.
It's pretty clear if that occurs and the signs of it are obvious, feel free to let me know if you see anything "shady," but a sale is a sale and it's fine to use.
Two Friends Trade, the other friend only opens suggestion after his friend has sold KE....that is why i beleive that on particular sale shouldnt be used. I dont think that it is what they are going for also...but thats where doubts come in and then the system gets fucked again...coz you have bans being doled out without a clear line across it
This is exactly how I feel.
You're willing to take ~1000 in mixed offers, this hat is being priced at 990. Those two values are eerily close.
Depending on the pure and offer..and im legit quicksellign everything for trash prices...and yet i cant bring myself to even try quickselling this... all i can do is offer a better deal than anyone would
In his profile he states that he needs Money for a fee and a student Exchange semester, so I would definentaly Think that this is a quicksell.
Not a quicksell if it doesn't sell quickly.
Like i said it isnt a quicksell...but it sure as hell aint a regular price either...
As for the 800 odd sale i find it really shady as hell that you opened this only 2 days after sloth, your very good friend who you often broker hats with sold the hat....after having proof of both sales that is...which includes the sale he made wit your mutually good friend...who you'll also often share/broker hats with...Zeikoth.
Yes I'm selling my hats for below market because of person reasons and emergencies...but if my desperation and hardship is an excuse for you'll to tank the market then screw it...no quickselling through backpack.tf lsiting.
This is almost reminiscent of RavenHolmzies
This suggestion is being used as a mini for the Arcana KE, if I really was an "evil price manipulator" then I would've excluded the 800 sale, thus making the price of the Arcana KE higher, since my good friend owns that one.
Take off your tinfoil hat and accept the fact that this hat is dropping.
Im going to clarify....IM NOT SAYING THIS IS MANIPULATION...IM SAYING OTHERS MIGHT START DOING THIS. so should we really take it?
I know Sloth also takes a hit on this sale...but there are people who will start misusing this. can we wait another sale at the very least?
Adding on....Just spoke to Sloth...he said you guys have never brokered each other hats...he just met zeikoth and traded him...
proceed i guess :S
to be clear, I knew zeikoth for a bit before we traded, but yeah you're correct. all in all I think there's just been some miscommunication on the whole here. no sweat for anybody.
Bit confused with this whole situation. To clear things up, this is how it is from my perspective: I saw zeikoth had a demonflame KE, I had my hellfire cone and darkblaze KE still at the time, and wanted a demon-flame KE to finish off all three portals. Ive never brokered for loafer or spotlight (if my memory serves, I can check my trade history if need be), I know zeikoth only in passing, and really I don't see what all the drama is about. I bought the KE cause I wanted the KE. What reasons he had for selling it are his own. that's all I know, thanks folks.
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198066434918#!/compare/1500336000/1500422400
Also check this sale...im sure that the 800 is an outlier....
your Arcana KE Suggestion might need to be reworked :S
That sale is already the high end.
Fuck it im stoned....its all gucci. I really don't mind
btw new sale. burning pencil, burnig dragon born, frostbite woodsman, peace viewfinder
that sounds low tbh
460,200,300,200 ~1160..i know....its much lesser than i wanted but like i said, willing to take a hit on the value on downgrades/mix
plus...sexy AF hats...
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198054862332#!/compare/1505865600/1505952000 another sale here.
Burning pusher needs a pretty steep drop; only other usable sale on that is this:
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198059265081#!/compare/1506124800/1506211200
which is 250-300 at best
Woodsman ~225-250
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198059216393#!/compare/1506124800/1506211200
Only sale at ~250, has a lower seller (~225)
Viewfinder.. idk?
https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198054862332#!/compare/1506211200/1506297600 this probably wasnt the full sale and if it was, that'd be low
In reality, that sale is probably a tad below 1000. While I am convinced sale 1 is too high because of that plumbers and I'd have preferred that to be cut from the range entirely, I guess this will be okay (and definitely better than current). The updated price will be on the high side, as will the arcana KE be.
[also note that I made all this 4 days ago so it can be that new stuff happened on the hats involved since then, I didnt check again after that]